Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #53226
From: <marv@lancair.net>
Subject: stalling a plane
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:50:39 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Posted for "Bill Maddox" <reddog@smwireless.net>:

 
 I see this as a problem not with the plane but the pilots that fly it . Some
 of the past statements that are listed in several of the write inns are
 correct  and some are total bunk . I see a lack of training come from the
 faa instruction in training new students as well . When I left the
 instruction faze of my life I saw the mandates starting to come down to no
 spin training required for students in training around the late 70's . If
 you have a flight instructor that trained you on spins it probably was in
 the 70's or it was an instructor like myself that believed in the whole
 training package to flight . I also see a lot of very low time pilots flying
 these planes . Also pilots that took anywhere from 3 to 8 or more years to
 build and then fly there plane without touching a stick . This is an issue
 that needs to be trained in high performance single engine planes before
 getting into the lancair planes or best train in another lancair . Not to go
 out and rent a 172 and get some re-fresher  I F R  training . I can't
 understand the no brainer of not having an aoa or a stall device in the
 plane . As pilots we were teethed on this device from the start of our
 training and now we get into a clean minimal drag plane without this stall
 devices . I don't understand the thinking of some of you pilots . I wouldn't
 fly a plane without a stall devise in it .Most of you came from 60 k final
 approach planes that don't have the correct approach  speeds that the
 lancair has .
 
  I have stalled every plane I flew . from the C 150 to the B 757 . When you
 try the stalls in your plane you must have a forward cg in your plane and
 prefer it to be on the forward edge of the envelope . I stalled the lancair
 for the first time around  1990 with Don Getz  over Redmond ,Or after
 climbing to 10 k . I stalled it straight ahead in a clean stall with no
 power several times in a row  and several in a turn as well . In all the
 stalls the nose dropped off and I added power and recovered nicely , no
 tight turns just a smooth recovery  . Rudder control was not inputted for it
 wasn't needed This was done in 409L after the new main gear box was put in
 it I believe before the flight .   Rigging the plane correctly is a must as
 stated in previous statements as well . I really think engine out training
 is a must for the lancair as well . Sink rates and picking out a spot for a
 successful landing is essential . . Faa doesn't have a clue and probably
 care less and for them to make statements is not there business . I feel we
 as builders and pilots need to balance our flying and building skills to
 build a better plane and have a proficient pilot in the plane he or she is
 flying and not wait to have a government agency try to tell us something we
 all ready know  Bill
 
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