From: marv@lancair.net
Subject: stalling a plane
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:50:39 -0400
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Posted for "Bill Maddox" <reddog@smwireless.net>:

  
  I see this as a problem not with the plane but the pilots that fly it . Some
  of the past statements that are listed in several of the write inns are
  correct  and some are total bunk . I see a lack of training come from the
  faa instruction in training new students as well . When I left the
  instruction faze of my life I saw the mandates starting to come down to no
  spin training required for students in training around the late 70's . If
  you have a flight instructor that trained you on spins it probably was in
  the 70's or it was an instructor like myself that believed in the whole
  training package to flight . I also see a lot of very low time pilots flying
  these planes . Also pilots that took anywhere from 3 to 8 or more years to
  build and then fly there plane without touching a stick . This is an issue
  that needs to be trained in high performance single engine planes before
  getting into the lancair planes or best train in another lancair . Not to go
  out and rent a 172 and get some re-fresher  I F R  training . I can't
  understand the no brainer of not having an aoa or a stall device in the
  plane . As pilots we were teethed on this device from the start of our
  training and now we get into a clean minimal drag plane without this stall
  devices . I don't understand the thinking of some of you pilots . I wouldn't
  fly a plane without a stall devise in it .Most of you came from 60 k final
  approach planes that don't have the correct approach  speeds that the
  lancair has .
  
   I have stalled every plane I flew . from the C 150 to the B 757 . When you
  try the stalls in your plane you must have a forward cg in your plane and
  prefer it to be on the forward edge of the envelope . I stalled the lancair
  for the first time around  1990 with Don Getz  over Redmond ,Or after
  climbing to 10 k . I stalled it straight ahead in a clean stall with no
  power several times in a row  and several in a turn as well . In all the
  stalls the nose dropped off and I added power and recovered nicely , no
  tight turns just a smooth recovery  . Rudder control was not inputted for it
  wasn't needed This was done in 409L after the new main gear box was put in
  it I believe before the flight .   Rigging the plane correctly is a must as
  stated in previous statements as well . I really think engine out training
  is a must for the lancair as well . Sink rates and picking out a spot for a
  successful landing is essential . . Faa doesn't have a clue and probably
  care less and for them to make statements is not there business . I feel we
  as builders and pilots need to balance our flying and building skills to
  build a better plane and have a proficient pilot in the plane he or she is
  flying and not wait to have a government agency try to tell us something we
  all ready know  Bill