Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #40910
From: rtitsworth <rtitsworth@mindspring.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re Batteries
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:55:51 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Brent said,  “I don't get the dual big battery configuration…  I would rather have 5 gallons of fuel…  Watch the ounces and the pounds take care of themselves.”

 

Brent, Thanks for the feedback.  In general, I couldn’t agree with you more.  However, with an ES the practical choices are a 360 with the battery wherever you like (firewall), or a 550 with weight in the tail.  For most of ES builders, the advantages of the 550 (over the 360), outweigh the tradeoff of a few lbs of #2 wire and the sub-optimal aft battery(ies) location.

 

5 gallons of fuel will not help.  To be effective in balancing CG, Moment is computed as Weight x moment Arm.  With fuel, the moment Arm is near the CG and thus the weight of the fuel is not helpful from a CG standpoint.  In fact, my understanding is that the fuel is generally designed to be near the CG so that the CG doesn’t change (much) as fuel is burned.

 

I’m not sure “scrutinizing every ounce” has much “practical” CG relevance for most ES builders either.  The firewall, engine mount, strut, ect are all done by the factory as part of the fastbuild and the rudder pedals and control sticks are pretty much given asis.  There are relatively few layups and/or builder discretionary items in front of the CG (unless you’re adding things up there).  I did replace the nylaflow brake lines with DHLines which are a bit heavier (wrong CG direction), but still lighter than SS.  I’m also planning on adding an engine pre-heat pad – which I think is a requirement here in the North.  I’m still undecided about putting a landing light in the cowl versus the wing tips (which would be better for CG).  I’ve opted for the lighter composite MT prop, (versus the commonly preferred heavier aluminum Hartzel).  I’ve also moved the boost pump 3’ rearward from standard ES firewall location and moved the elevator A/P servo and O2 bottle to the tail and stayed with the std non-pressurized windshield (lighter).  I’ve also optimized the engine hose lengths and fittings.  Trying to scrimp with a few less Adel clamps seems a poor FF safety tradeoff for perhaps a few oz.  I’m also searching for a good/accessible internal location for the brake fluid reservoir (which could then be plastic vs the steel firewall version that comes with the kit).  However, for ease of maintenance I’ll probably end up with the std reservoir/location.   I’m not sure what else (of any significance) I can alter in front of the CG, besides optimizing/minimizing the weight of the equipment in the panel.  Is there something else you’re thinking about or that you’d suggest?  Is there anything on the engine you’d suggest I swap with a similar/lighter replacement component (i.e. does anyone make a magnesium oil sump, is the swap cost effective)?  Do you know, are the Performance Engines billet aluminum value covers significantly lighter than the stamped TCM covers, etc?

 

I suppose a builder could also move the ES wing fwd a bit in an attempt to optimize the W&B, but the wing attachment and Spar box is done by Lancair (fastbuild) and the spar integrates with the rear seat (which is already perhaps too far fwd).  Thus, he’d probably also be designing a new wing spar and rib structure.

 

The other low hanging fruit is the front gear (pun intended).  Making it retract would shift 20-30 lbs rearward (in flight only) and eliminates the weight of the fairing and pant (a couple lbs).  But, the added hydraulic system, door mechanism, and wheel well would negate the weight savings (but it could be somewhat further aft).  However, that does not seem to be in-line with the philosophy of the ES (extra simple).  If you’re doing that you could also make the mains retract and reduce the wing area (aka build a IV) and go faster.

 

Shy of those major re-configurations, it seems I’m left with lead in the tail - and as long as I’m adding lead in the tail, I gain some utility by putting it in plastic boxes and mixing sulfuric acid with it {g}.  Furthermore, if one of my big battery (pairs) fails, I’m not stranded somewhere (not being able to re-start the engine).  Choosing to depart with only one working battery (pair) would be situation dependent, but it would be an option.  “Rigging” a temporary attachment to a couple Wallmart lawn tractor batteries to “limp home” might not be any safer.

 

Since a IV is theoretically similar to an ES electrically, I am very interested in your electrical system/suggestions - can you post/send a schematic?

Do you have a single/common ground bus?  Any special precautions with it (as a single point of failure)?  I’ve got two engine ground straps for redundancy (but that also added several oz’s fwd of the CG) – Do you think that was a bad tradeoff?

 

How is your backup alternator and battery connected to the ships electrical systems? Through the cross-tie?  Only?

Is your backup alternator a B&C SD-20?  Or equivalent?

 

Have you segregated your “essential” electrical equipment (i.e. a separate E-bus) to easily/effortlessly configure your system for low power draw (aka < 20 amps) in the event of a primary alternator (or regulator) failure?

How do you turn on the essential bus and/or turn off everything else?

Are there any single points of failure in the essential bus and/or it’s feed(s)?

What equipment is on your essential bus (if you have one)?

What is your essential bus maximum current draw?

 

What is your overall maximum current draw (everything on)?  Do you have seat heaters?  Front and back?

What is your typical continuous draw (with most normal/continuous things on – like pitot heat, lights, etc

 

What is your strategy/timing for replacing your batteries (every 2-3 years)?  Do you have a load based AH battery test apparatus/procedure?  Do you use it as part of your annual condition inspection?  If so, at what % of total rated capacity do you replace them?

 

When starting, do you typically have other electrical equipment on?  EFIS?  Engine Mon?  GPS?  Beakon?  Cabin/Panel Lights?

Have you every had a starting brownout and/or starting spike failure?  Do you believe in them?

 

Have you ever had issues trying to start with a very cold battery (i.e. -10F)?  What compression is your engine?

 

Thanks Again,

Rick

 

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