Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #55941
From: MONTY ROBERTS <montyr2157@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Kitplanes Article - Safety is no Accident
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:47:02 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Since I'm involved in the design of a gearbox at present, I just thought I'd add that this is non-trivial to do properly. The lawyers at the gear manufacturer have made it impossible to use their design data, unless you are designing stationary equipment (HEAVY!!). This means testing is required to get accurate life data for each particular application. The problem is, to have statistically meaningful data you will have to test at least 10 articles. This is very expensive. Not something that a guy in his garage can afford to do properly. If you have statistical design data...you don't give it out. So....the best bet is to use something the airboat guys use successfully, or something people are currently flying successfully.
 
The flexplate failure looks like typical high cycle fatigue. Since these are used parts, we don't know the part history. It could have been installed improperly in the car or had a manufacturing defect. The fact that two people have experienced failures may be a trend, maybe not.
 
1.) Inspect all flex plates very carefully before installation. Magnaflux/Dye penetrant, etc.
 
2.) Replace the rubber dampers at annual
 
3.) Do regular Flexplate inspections.
 
4.) Use a new flex plate if possible.
 
 
If  people continue to have failures, then it's time for redesign, but I wouldn't say that just yet. The two failures were relatively high power installations.
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: ben haas
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Kitplanes Article - Safety is no Accident

Great article for sure.....
 
The introduction picture is kool too.  <GG>

Ben Haas
www.haaspowerair.com

 

To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:27:51 -0500
From: msteitle@gmail.com
Subject: [FlyRotary] Kitplanes Article - Safety is no Accident

There was an article in the February 2011 issue of Kitplanes titled, "Safety is no Accident", by Ron Wanttaja.  In light of the recent flexplate failures, I found it interesting that it highlights two areas where automotive engines tend to fail, the cooling system and the gear reduction unit.  To quote, "Note that auto conversions have a higher accident rate right where you would expect it--in engine cooling and in the systems that convert engine power to a slower speed for a propeller or helicopter rotor."  Seems that we've hit on one of the primary failure modes here.  According to Ron's calculations, the accident rate for auto engine homebuilts was 23% higher than for homebuilts with traditional engines.  The rotary had the fewest total accidents, but the rotary also has the fewest number of a/c flying.  This is a well written article that should be on everyone's reading list. 
 
Note:  Mr. Wanttaja is a systems engineer, engaged in satellite orbit/constellation design and analysis, launch vehicle and onboard propulsion system trades, and operations concepts for space systems.  He worked on the early design studies for the International Space Station. 
 
Mark
 
 
 
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