Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #25394
From: George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Mazda Factory O rings vs TES O rings
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:47:48 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thank you Kelly, I'm with you 100% and wouldn't be going to all this trouble if I weren't convinced there was an advantage AND it was helpful to other builders down the track.
 
IGNORE the 'Nay Sayers', personally I didn't think it was worth the response.
 
This is a site where people who intend flying behind one of these engines develop strategies for, at the very least, some 'piece of mind'. Those interested in road racing could have other priorities - who would know, or care for that matter.
 
This discussion is well within the discussion bounds as it adds the reliability of engines. If I felt that it wouldn't benefit other builders I would have discussed this with you - OFF SITE.
 
I'm wondering why people like Tracy Crook and Bruce Turrentine bother with TES "O" rings. I think they may have a better idea - don't you!
 
George ( down under)
Leon and all,
      For my part  I just like the fact that the TES seals will take more heat
and pressure and reportedly are reusable if undamaged.........Anything
I can do economically to upgrade my 13B to extend its life for use at
power levels (75 to 100 percent) it was not probably not designed for
I am willing to do........After all it is our butts we are putting in these
airplanes........IMHO.........That being said I do appreciate the opinions
of all in the group !!
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2




-------------- Original message from "Leon Promet" <leonp@pacific.net.au>: --------------

Hey Guys,
 
Enough already!  I'm with Dave on this TES O ring business,  but I'm even MORE radical ...   
 
If the factory O rings were good enough to win Le Mans 24 Hr,  it would seem that they SHOULD be good enough for our purposes.  Moreover,  they seem to last 20 odd years and over 500,000 km in cars that are well looked after and serviced regularly and the cooling systems kept clean. 
 
The only time I've EVER seen Factory O rings fail (since the mid '70s) is if the engine has been "cooked",  (and then the rotor housings are warped),  or the rotor housings have corroded (due to lack of a regular coolant changes),  and in both these failure modes,  the rotor housings are throw-aways anyhow.  Not the O ring's fault that the engine leaks water - OIF (Operator Induced Failure).
 
So seriously,  can someone PLEASE tell me WHY you all want to use TES O rings instead of the factory ones?? Apart from price,  (which seems to be an issue with some),  and the fact that the big bearded guy at that "other" place says you should - so why don't you guys just ask HIM for the relevant part # - he knows EVERYTHING).
 
Still, for the life of me,  I just can't see what technical advantages there are (apart from busting the O ring grooves if you happen to get the sizing wrong).  I'm afraid that it has totally escaped me.
 
Cheers,
 
Leon
 
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