Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #20772
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Apex Slot Wear/ Grinding for 3mm Seals
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:39:13 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
I don't know for sure what happened with Ed's seals but offer this observation FWIW.
 
Although the RWS seals developed with Bruce are harder than the Hurley seals, that is not the factor that I think is most significant here.  It is the resistance to fracture that matters. 
 
It's hard to put numbers to this but it is very clear when you take one of each in hand and snap them in two.  Unless you are a lot stronger than me, you can't break the RWS seals with bare hands but I can easily break Hurleys.  I'll bring samples of each to Charlie's fly-in on Memorial day weekend for demos.
 
Nothing is immune to failure of course.  We recently had an irate customer (drag racer) who was upset that the seals bent down in the center during detonation at high boost (> 30 psi).  The seal was forced down into the groove so hard that the spring stops on the two ends bottomed out and the seal sagged in the center.  This caused the engine to have low compression but no damage to the rotors or rotor housings.  He said this bending never happened with Hurleys.  I'm sure it doesn't because Hurleys would be in many pieces under the same conditions.   Which would you rather have happen?   His answer was neither.   Sigh........
 
Tracy

Lynn,
  The current question seems to be the hardness of the "Hurley" seals that failed
in Ed Anderson's 13B relative to "Tracy's" seals or even stock seals.....Also the
wear of his apex slot seems to be a factor........Correct me if I am wrong but I believe
your 12A engines use 3mm carbon racing seals........If this is so I would presume
they are much softer than stock seals.........How much racing at 8-9000 rpm do you
get out of them and where are the wear patterns located........seal surface,side etc ?
 
Thanks,
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta/13B/RD1C/EC2

Lehanover@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 04/24/2005 02:53 Central Daylight Time, 
finn.lassen@verizon.net writes:

<< Ok, so grooves don't wear in your application (car racing) with proper 
 lubrication and air filtering.
 
 What HP range would you estimate your engines spend 90% of their time in?
 
 Finn
  >>


We record and review each session on a video camera that watches a special 
set of gages. I show the driver where he has dropped off of the power and he 
complains about having to shift up here or down there and so on. We may then 
change rear end ratios to get him out of a shift in a fast turn or such. 

He is attempting to stay above 8,000 RPM. Max power is at 9,400 RPM and 
shifts are at 9,600 RPM. 

HP at 8,000 is 223 to 225. Max power is 244 to 245 HP at 9,400 RPM.

Lynn E. Hanover

  
       
  
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