Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67837
From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy Canopy - Follow-up
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 14:45:28 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I think the two micro switches feeding EFIS or other annunciator is the solution the community should best pursue.  Matthew Collier of Fibercraft installed this fix on my baggage door (IVP).  Certainly the critical nature of baggage door failure on my plane vs canopy open on yours is simply a world apart, but the effectiveness of the system is of HUGE benefit in my case and could be life saving in the Legacy world.

The way it works is identical to john Smith's canopy system.  There is one micro switch that is activated by pushing the door flush with the fuselage.  The second one is a normally closed switch that will fire off the annunciator if the forward door latch does not slide to place.  There is a fwd and rear latch.  The fwd one is considered more critical as failure here could put the fwd lip of the door into the slip stream and rip it off.

My annunciator is on the Vertical Power display unit and it will show a nice red "baggage door" warning if either of the two switches is not in the proper mode as soon the VP is powered up.  That means as soon as I get in the aircraft and power up the system I have this persistent, obvious warning sign right in the box where all my warnings and cautions for the VP show up.  I could add aural warnings and/or blinking signal to that I think.  Might be a good idea.  So far, it has worked great.  And yes, I have had to get back put of the airplane to correct more than once.

John



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On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:29 AM, <marv@lancair.net> wrote:




Posted for John Smith <john@jjts.net.au>:

> I have posted on the forum a while back what I had done at that time. Below,
> is an update on thatŠ along with what I'm doing now.
>
> If its helpful to anyone out there, that's good. If you're entirely happy
> with what you're doing, please still read on as you may well be able to
> provide some valuable insight as to perhaps why nothing else needs to be
> done around "the Legacy Canopy".. or perhaps those that have experienced
> flight with the canopy open ­ what IAS did you fly the aircraft at?  Did you
> leave flaps and gear extendedŠ and so on, so you can help others understand
> how they might be able safely return for a landing with a canopy open.
>
>
> Current status
>
> Alarm
> * I have two micro switches installed in series to indicate an issue with
> the canopy
>> * One is under the internal closure handle and unless the handle is in the
>> close position within ~1mm, the switch will not close
>> * The other is within the pilot side cockpit opening joggle at the back of
>> tyne opening, and unless the canopy is seated to within 1 ­ 2mm, the switch
>> will not close
>> * Thus if either the canopy is not seated or the internal handle is not in
>> closed position, or if there is failure of the switches or wiring, an alarm
>> condition is identified
> * I used to have this alarm showing up on my annunciator panel top RHS of my
> panel ­ pretty useless to be honest when cockpit is flooded with light
> * I am fortunate to have dual EFIS units, so all it took was to run another
> wire to the EFIS system, and programme the EFIS to display a large red
> flashing warning "ALERT ­ CANPY" both pilot side and co-pilot side. This
> accompanied with a "BEEP BEEP" happening in the headsets.  See attached
> picture of how the visual alarm appears.
>> * If I didn't have EFIS, I would have installed a very bright LED warning
>> light pilot side and co-pilot side top of panel, along with a very loud
>>buzzer
>> or horn
> Normal Procedures
> * My Run-Up and Line-Up checks include "CANOPY CLOSED, LOCKED, ALARMS OUT"
> Emergency Procedures
> * I have acknowledged that there MAY be an issue with controllability, but I
> don't plan to wait to find out for sure. So I have adopted (with the same
> priority as EFATO procedures) a procedure which says "IF CANOPY OPENS AT ANY
> POINT PRIOR TO TAKE-OFF => ABORT ­ DO NOT PROCEED AIRBORNE"     Beyond that,
> and not knowing if this would work: "IF CANOPY OPENS IN FLIGHT AFTER
> TAKE-OFF ­ MAINTAIN 140KTS, LEAVE FLAPS / GEAR EXTENDED, CLIMB TO 500ft
> BEFORE POSITIONING FOR APPROACH TO LAND NOT BELOW 100kts"
>
> In my opinion, no Legacy should fly without the above ­ or put another way,
> I can't see the downside for essentially a few micro switches and
> recognition of some very simple procedures. I'm sure that many will argue
> that the alarm as described above is not helpful ­ but take a look at the
> picture and ask, is it more likely than not that you would notice this red
> flashing warning as you line up and  / or commence a take-off roll? UNLESS
> take-off is done without any reference to instruments - but assuming that
> was the case, and canopy is not locked, it presumes both Run-UP and Line-UP
> checks have also been ignored ­ tends to suggest a different problem all
> together.
>
> But at the same time, I absolutely recognise that there will be times when
> no amount of alarms, warnings, procedures won't protect ­ but on balance, I
> find it hard to argue that they won't reduce risk.
>
>
> What I'm doing now
> * Over the last month or so, I have been working up a number of ideas for an
> automatic secondary latching or restraint mechanism. In some cases, pretty
> much to the point where CAD drawings could be put together and DXF files fed
> into a CNC machine. But ­ not so fast. Each idea needs to be screened
> against all the obvious ­ net benefit, reliability, simplicity, operability
> (latter must be from perspectives of a pilot, passenger and rescuer). I'm
> used to the term HAZOP (hazard and operability assessment) ­ sounds fancy /
> complex but its pretty straightforward (identify failure modes, operability
> issues etcŠ rank as a function of likelihood or probability etc.).  However,
> it does rely on a group of informed persons contributing to make sure that,
> as far as is practicable, nothing is missed and the best solution is
> uncovered
> * The geometry and structure of the canopy and hull make for some
> challenges, as does also managing retrofitting something to a shiny
> completed machine ­ but I'm sure it can be done
> * I have as it happens physically seen the SS spring steel device used on a
> VariEze ­ it may ultimately be the best solution but right now, my concern
> is over a "rescuer" begin able to quickly find, reach and then operate the
> spring steel tab under difficult conditions. Beyond this idea, I have thus
> far explored ideas ranging from inertia reel seat belt devices attached to
> the top of the canopy, electric solenoid operated pins that self latch but
> require power to open (self contained battery!), pneumatic solenoid
> equivalents, and mechanical linkage variants!  All have their pro's and
> con's ­ but my "spec" if you like is essentially this:-
>> * Must automatically latch when the canopy is lowered (as some have
>>suggested
>> ­ like a car bonnet safety latch)
>> * Must be obvious and easily operated and released by pilot, passenger or
>> rescuer
>> * Must have alternative emergency opening capability (this is the scenario
>> where the auto latch does it trick when you put the plane away after a fly,
>> and you come along some other day and the normal external release has
>> failedŠ..)
>> * Goes without saying that any device needs to be as simple as it can
>> practically be, and should ideally be relatively easily accommodated within
>> the geometry / structure of the Legacy so it doesn't become a deterrent for
>> folks to install / retrofit to an already completed aircraft
> * I need to do a bit more work around some designs / drawings for the above
> ideas, and then I'd be in a position to share those with the objective and
> working collaboratively to find a solution ­ the more brains and pounds of
> experience we can bring to bear ­ the better!
> * BUT who knows ­ the conclusion drawn from looking at secondary latch ideas
> may very well be that the risks and consequences of installing a secondary
> latch outweigh the perceived benefits => "do nothing". At least the election
> can be a better informed election. As some say, or words to effectŠ. "If you
> know why you do or don't do something, it might helpŠ..
> * However, the process of dialogue throws up some quite different ideas /
> approaches / possibilities
>> * Fred Moreno and a colleague have pondered whether damped gas struts that
>>may
>> offer the potential to stop the reported oscillating canopy scenario (most
>> recently observed with VH-ALP)
>> * Is it possible that IF the canopy opens in flight, it only lifts a small
>> amount and is stable (as some have observed and experienced) IF the ball is
>> centered; may be, just may be, if there are rapid power changes and / or the
>> ball is not way off centre -  does the slip invite the air flow to come up
>> under the canopy and push it up higher (and drop if slip is removed)?
>> * A recent post reports a canopy rises when full power is applied (and I
>> presume therefore nowhere near becoming airborne?) - may be all Legacy
>>owners
>> need to go out and check that for their aircraft this does occur, because if
>> does, wellŠ pretty much the obvious
>> * Some report no issues if the canopy opens in flight - which surely begs
>>the
>> question ­ why do some?  So don't we need to try and fathom out why this
>>might
>> be ­ what have some done, but others not?
>
> Anyways ­ I'd like to hear from anyone who wants to work together to share
> and develop / assess ideas for a secondary latch (or not as the case may
> be!) and develop sound (perhaps experience based?) emergency procedures. May
> be we can split it up ­ a group looking at latches?  A group looking at
> emergency procedures / how to fly safely with a canopy open?     Any
> volunteers?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
> VH-XTZ
>
> John N G Smith
> Tel / fax:    +61-8-9385-8891
> Mobile:      +61-409-372-975
> Email:         john@jjts.net.au
>
>

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