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Scott, I'm sorry if you feel insulted. I would rather you take it as an invitation to help us solve a common problem.

Nobody said that merely joining LOBO or being on the LML makes you personally safer as a direct result. What it does do is allow us (the members) to share our ideas and efforts to improve the situation. I have learned a ton being on the LML finding out what works/doesn't work and discovering issues that have saved me a ton of grief. I would say that has made me a safer pilot.

LOBO was organized to go the next step toward safety by establishing a syllabus and providing face to face events to expand learning opportunities....similar to other type clubs. It also interacts with other organizations to promote the interests of the group. As Marv explains below, it is not "another LML".

One of the issues right now is helping 2nd owners find the information and training they need. The reason for my earlier post was to ask people on this forum to encourage Lancair pilots that aren't to join LML and LOBO for that purpose.

if you do the math I think you'll find no basis for your allegation that someone is getting richer. On the contrary, working for LOBO is generally cash negative. e.g. getting around to FAA meetings, printing materials etc., administrative support, all cost more money than membership dues support.

Colyn

On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:27 AM, <marv@lancair.net> <marv@lancair.net> wrote:

Posted for Scott E Keighan <scottekeighan@sympatico.ca>:

So let me get this right. If I pay you $40 to join the LOBO I will be a
better pilot then a non-LOBO member, cool.
How exactly does that work?
Other then someone getting $40 richer, I don't see it. Is this like a pyramid
scam?

Don't insult non members and get a life. As a matter of fact. If the LOBO is
so great, why are you even on the LML?
I think the LOBO members should go to their own blog. I am sure they have
one.
Scott keighan
905 262 5997

[Whoa... lighten up. Since the LML had been operating successfully for a number of years prior to the founding of LOBO and the LML would likely already be in touch with most folks who would be interested in joining and participating in LOBO, an agreement was forged which allowed LOBO to use the LML as its communications arm. It was a logical decision which would benefit both entities. Both organizations exist for the benefit of the Lancair community, especially where safety is involved. As for cost... if $40/year is too much to pay to an organization dedicated to your safety and actively working to help getting the Lancair fleet insured at better rates then don't join. Also, don't participate in their discussions or learn anything from their shared knowledge... at least that way you'll get what you paid for. But don't throw stones at folks who are trying to help... that doesn't get us anywhere. <marv> ]

From: colyncase@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:31:05 -0500
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Accident rate for LOBO members vs non-members

Dico,
That's a good point.   That's one reason we would like to get as many Lancair
pilots on the LML and into LOBO as possible.    It's largely a word of mouth
process to get let people know about these two resources.  Getting the word
out to everyone is one of the "things we can do as a community" to improve the
situation.
LOBO membership is $40 at www.lancairowners.com.
(Marv would love contributions to keep the LML site going too!)
Colyn
On Jan 29, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Dico Reijers wrote:If the accident rate for
Lancairs is 500x that of commercial aviation... do we have a break down of
what the rate is of LOBO members vs. Non-members.  I would hope that by just
being a LOBO member and reading/learning from this group that the accident
rate for us is more in line with the 300x experimental or even better than
that.

Have we gone through the Lancair accidents to see if the PIC was a LOBO
member.  It would be interesting.
-DIco

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