Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #64252
From: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Thermal influence on Hydraulic Pressure
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:54:18 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Wolfgang,
I seem to recall you dismissed the idea of a three-way valve previously.
<<That's a sound and positive fix.
- - However it requires changing the dump valve, running a return line and pump modification (replace the reservoir).
...................................
Wolfgang>>
<<..........Automatic action by my module can prevent these problems for both up and down gear operation.
Wolfgang>>
 
Could you please explain how your module will prevent the gear extension lock-up failures.  Recall Lorn's photo after his extension failure and gear up landing.  Both pressure gauges showed around 500 psi.  The system is hydraulically locked with one switch open and one closed.
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std, 1,400 hrs
 
From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Thermal influence on Hydraulic Pressure

This has been covered at great length before. Some take the position that "real pilots" don't need anything but the dump valve.
I have proposed two answers,
1) replace the dump valve that only opens a port between the HI and LO sides with a dump valve that dumps back to the pump reservoir.
2) install a small electric module I make across the pressure switches that runs the pump to relieve the over pressure in the "wrong" line automatically.
 
Wolfgang
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Thermal influence on Hydraulic Pressure

This has happened to me even at the beginning of a flight, if the temps in the hangar have gone from cold on a previous day, to warm on flight day.  I guess cold temps shrink the fluid and suck more from the reservoir into the lines, and when it warms, the pressure builds on both sides of the system, so that the "up" and "down" pressure switches are both open and the gear won't move until I pop the bleed valve.

Nasty when the gear won't retract just after blasting off into a low overcast.

Charley Brown
Legacy #299  200 hr

On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:23 AM, randy snarr wrote:

. I dont like having to open the dump valve but it is necessary once in a while especially when it is cold. The pressures on both sides of the system climb due to the engine heat and the gear sometimes will not move without dumping the pressure.



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