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Alan I'm curious how you can tell so much from this video? It is certainly a possible explanation but so is a Vmca excursion? Or possible a stall due to aileron application only. I find it curious that he applied any rudder at that point in his flight or how you see this in the video?I've read elsewhere that this particular event occurred on a Maint flight after some serious work on the plane (possibly there was a loss of power on one engine during the flight).

I fly (corporately) a VERY similar a/c and I've NEVER 'horsed' it around with rudder with the exception of simulated single engine overshoot training, the abrupt movement felt in the planes rear seats is would be very uncomfortable due to the yaw.

I agree that cross controlling would not be a good thing while flying in this stage of flight but I see no way to chalk this crash in the video up to this application of controls.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

ATPL

235/320 55% (and holding)

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On 2012-05-11, at 12:31 PM, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote:

Actually, those are CFI maneuvers. They are not on the private pilot practical test standard.

Jeff

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On May 11, 2012, at 9:16 AM, "Alan Crawford" <alan@tstar.net> wrote:

Most pilots were demonstrated the "Cross Controlled Stall" or "Over the Top Stall" - early in flight training ... this is a good time to review it. We have all over shot final at some point in time ....

Watch this video of a King Air overshooting final. This is a perfect example of what NOT TO DO!! The King Air was traveling too fast, over shot final, got too low. and tried to horse the plane around with right rudder ... Guys and Gals ... this is what happens .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9eTc3WS7-8

Then when you have time to review http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/airplane_handbook/media/faa-h-8083-3a-3of7.pdf page 4-10 - Cross Controlled Stalls.

Feel Free to pass this on ...

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