Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #53293
From: randy snarr <randylsnarr@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNC2 Hydraulic Gear Operation Fix
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:21:16 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I have been following this thread and have complained about many of the same issues. I have the 235 set up with the oildyne pump from 1987 . I removed the original dump valve and replaced it with a Swageloc valve that has another port on it. I ran a poly line (no pressure) back to the resevoir. I had the round metal resevoir and replaced it with a plastic one that I purchased from Oildyne for about $45. I put a fitting into the to of the plastic tank and the return line goes there. When my dump valve is opened in addition to connecting the high and low sides together (still pressurized but equal) mine dumps pressure back to the resevoir taking pressure to 0.
No more carrying a 9/16 wrench to crack a fitting so I can raise the gear. The valve was about $60 if I recall. This does not solve the problem of the system building pressure when ambient temps go from cool to warm, but it is a cheap solution that has worked for me...

Randy Snarr


--- On Fri, 10/23/09, Sky2high@aol.com <Sky2high@aol.com> wrote:

From: Sky2high@aol.com <Sky2high@aol.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: LNC2 Hydraulic Gear Operation Fix
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 9:53 AM


 
 


See attached for greater understanding:
 
Grayhawk

 
In a message dated 10/23/2009 8:49:51 A.M. Central
Daylight Time, rbelshe@comcast.net writes:
Randy,
I have spent too much time trying to analyze your   hydraulic "fix".  You say "The ONLY way to approach this work   around for the Oildyne pump problem is to REMOVE the pressure from the Lo   side. Relieving the expanding
hydraulic fluid and put it back in the   reservoir where it belongs!!!!
This type of "Fix" that simply bypasses the   open Lo sensor and does not relieve the expanding hydraulic fluid is   insane and it's a ticking time bomb
for gear failure!!!"

In fact, it   appears to me that your circuit DOES bypass the open low
pressure switch,   which starts the pump and ADDS pressure to the low side.  Then,   when the high pressure switch drops out, it immediately
reverses the
pump   to restore the up pressure.

If this analysis is incorrect, please let   the group know.

Bob Belshe EE '61
Lancair 235/320 900+   hours

PS:  Why do you think so many Lancairs, including
mine, have   never
experienced this problem?


-----Original   Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]
On   Behalf Of Randy
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:38 AM
To:   lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: LNC2 Hydraulic Gear Operation   Fix

This looks like a relay that when it senses the Hi pressure
switch   being
open, while the gear is up, shorts and closes the Lo
pressure   circuit. This
will bypass the Lo pressure sensor when the sensor opens
from   the hydraulic
fluid expanding. This type of fix does not stop the
hydraulic   fluid from
expanding more and more as it heats up. The hydraulic fluid

  expansion can
damage the hydraulic system. I have monitored this problem   and have seen the
Lo side exceed 2000 psi during this heat expansion in the   summer months.
If this relay sticks the Lo sensor circuit will be on all   the time
regardless of the pressure sensor.
The ONLY way to approach   this work around for the Oildyne pump problem is to
REMOVE the pressure   from the Lo side. Relieving the expanding hydraulic
fluid and put it back   in the reservoir where it belongs!!!!
This type of "Fix" that simply   bypasses the open Lo sensor and does not
relieve the expanding hydraulic   fluid is insane and it's a ticking time bomb
for gear   failure!!!

Randy Stuart
LNC-2



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