Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #46089
From: randy snarr <randylsnarr@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 235/320/360 gear dump valve idea
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:34:02 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Randy,
I follow up until the extra shuttle valve. I am not entirely familliar with how those work. Also, there is an issue with the gear not coming up due to the same pressure build up.

Randy.

Randy <randystuart@hotmail.com> wrote:
This can be done very easy with a simple T-shuttle valve. I got one but haven't felt like putting the pump out yet.  The problem is that when the pump stops the shuttle valve, in the pump, closes. This stops the fluid from retuning to the reservoir when it expands from the heat. By adding a small T-shuttle valve in the low side (down) of the system, it would return the fluid to the reservoir automatically. The low side of the pump connects to one side of the T (Top), drill a hole in the reservoir and connect the other side of the T (Top) to the reservoir, the bottom of the T goes to the actuators (down side ). Now when you run the gear down is closes the T-shuttle valve and flows the fluid to the down actuators. when the gear runs up, the fluid from the down side flows back through the pumps shuttle valve until it closes. When the fluid expands and the pump valve is closed the T-shuttle valve opens and flows the small amount of fluid back into the reservoir.
I haven't had a chance to connect this up to my pump and it might take a little adjusting to get it to work just right but this should completely solve the "No gear down" problem on hot days. And do the job in the background with no buttons or extra levers, etc.
 
Randy Stuart
LNC2
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: [LML] 235/320/360 gear dump valve idea

I have been thinking about this for some time.

With the way the hydraulic system is currently designed, you equalize the pressure on the high and low sides when it is opened. For those of us who have pressure gauges, you can see that you can have significant pressure on the system even when the valve is opened. I want to be able to not only equalize the pressure between the high and low sides of the hydraulic system with the dump valve but also release the pressure on both sides.

Today I purchased a 3 way valve to do just that. The idea  is to open the valve  connecting  the high and low sides and also releasing the pressure back to the tank.
I will most likely run a low pressure line like nylaflow back to the pump and make spin up a custom fitting on the lathe out of aluminum to go into the dipstick hole and terminate the return line there. I will make a needle dipstick checker that will screw into the same fitting for checking fluid level.
If you wanted to do it the easy way, you could always just dump the low pressure line out the belly of the airplane onto the ground. It would take very little fluid to drop the pressure and there would be no need to deal with connecting the low pressure fluid line to the tank.

I hate pulling the airplane out of a cool hanger into the warm sunshine and watching the gear pressures rise to 6-700 lbs before the master switch is turned on! We all know what happens when they hit 900. Yep no gear retraction as the upper limit has been tripped by the system pressure.
My new valve would fix that!!!
I hope...

Chris Z and others who are much smarter than me please chime in with your input....
Am I missing something???

Thanks!!!

Randy L. Snarr
N694RS 235/320
Salt Lake City, Utah


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