Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #42698
From: Bill Wade <dhc1@gwi.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Boost Pump
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:39:59 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
  I'm not sure that I could scan the diagrams successfully so I'll try my best to describe them.
  Looking at the fuel system schematic (2-15 of the TSIO-550 Maintenance & Overhaul Manual), fuel from the tank goes through the boost pump, then the vapor separator, then into the engine driven pump. Boost pump flow can bypass the engine driven via a check valve. The engine-driven pump output is regulated by engine speed; also by an idle pressure relief valve, an aneroid full power valve, and by the mixture control. The last three items work by recirculating fuel to the inlet side of the pump. The fuel return to the tank is located between the pump output and the mixture control. Fuel from the boost pump is also shown as flowing through the pump outlet, before the fuel return. The mixture control is the last point in the system to remove excess fuel. After that it goes through the throttle body where it is metered, then on to the spider.
  I also have a small TCM manual that describes the injection system. It states that the pump has excess capacity so that pressure can be maintained at all speeds through the use of a calibrated orifice and relief valve in a recirculation loop. I assume that's for non-aneroid pumps.
  The unmetered fuel pressure (between the pump and the throttle body) for the E is 7.0-9.0 PSI at idle and goes to 32-36 full throttle. Full throttle flow is 245-255 lbs/hr (roughly 41-42 GPH).
  I'm looking at a Dukes pump that's rated 11.0 PSI low and 25 PSI on high. Flow rate is 35 GPM @ 21.0 PSI. I don't know how this compares to the pumps being used in Lancair installations, but wouldn't seem that the Dukes could overload the system, especially if  the engine-driven pump was inoperative. If you were idling and hit the high boost, yes. At full TO power it should be less than the engine-driven output. My question is: could the output of the two pumps combine and overwhelm the return line causing pressure and thus fuel flow to go out of limits?
 It seems to me that the biggest concern is at takeoff. At altitude there would be time to restart. The installations on my planes (TCM IO-360, IO-550B) use a ceramic resistor for the low side. Would there be a way to vary resistance to the high side to keep output of the boost pump within tolerance even if the high setting was selected by accident?
 BTW, I don't use low boost on takeoff. Some manuals recommend it, but to me it's one more thing to remember and I've operated that way for 1,000 hours with no problem. The only time I had a problem was when I forgot to turn the boost off after startup! Rough idle, low power and a lot of smoke. -Bill Wade
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Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Boost Pump

 

Kevin  wrote: 

Is it safe to assume then that the fuel return line isn’t able to return all the fuel that isn’t being used?  Maybe there are restrictions in the return line that prevents fuel from retuning at a flow rate that would prevent it from also bypassing the mechanical pump?

 

Or does the return line start after the bypass value for the mechanical pump?

 

 

 There is a variable orifice as well as the bypass valve involved in the fuel return system that will affect fuel rate beyond the return line size.  To get fuel injection to work somewhat automatically with a pure mechanical system is very difficult.  Adding a turbo further complicates the effort.  Having a mixture knob controlled by the pilot is a big deal.  A good deal if properly controlled.  My advise is to be very careful when trying to modify the way the mechanical fuel injection system meters fuel.  VERY simply put, the pressure at the injector controls the fuel rate.  Increasing the inlet fuel pressure at the mechanical engine driven pump will increase the fuel rate.  Let me give you some food for thought.  The increased fuel rate caused by turning on the high boost pump may be acceptable to the engine during the winter months in Minnesota but will the same fuel rate increase be acceptable to the engine today in Arizona (110 def F).  In my opinion high boost on the TSIO550 should be used for aid in starting and as a back-up in case of a mechanical engine driven fuel pump failure only.

Craig Berland

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