Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #40840
From: Lancair <lancair@USTEK.COM>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lancair vs Eclipse
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:19:59 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
That FAA report states:
 
The EA-500 is certified for Day, Night, VFR and IFR operations to a maximum operating altitude of 41,000 feet and is approved for flight into reduced vertical separation minimum (RVSM) airspace if the aircraft meets the minimum equipment requirements.  At the present time, the distance measuring equipment (DME) system is not approved and the aircraft is restricted to operations below Flight Level 240. 
So at the publication date the Eclipse was not RVS capable.
 

The EA-500 presently does not meet the minimum equipment and instrumentation requirements prescribed for operations in accordance with 14 CFR Part 135. 

So at the publication date part 135 was not approved. 

 
The EA-500 is not approved for flight into known icing conditions
As stated: no icing at that time.
 
It has a total seating density of up to six, with two crew seats and three passenger seats (standard), or four passenger seats (optional).
So 5 or 6 total souls are possible aboard (depending on w&b).  Original comment was "4 passengers" and that is technically correct since the other two are listed by this FAA document as crew.
 
 
Robert M. Simon
ES-P N301ES
(No RVS, no pt 135, no known icing, 3 passengers, centerline thrust, and I'm fine with that package. 
 
 
 


From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:48 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair vs Eclipse

Posted for "Hamid A. Wasti" <hwasti@starband.net>:

Ken,

The original comments were actually mine, so I will respond. The source for
all the data about the Eclipse that Brent posted is from:
http://www.opspecs.com/AFSData/FSBRs/Draft/EA-500%20FSB%20draft/EclipseEA-500DraftFSBReport.doc

If you have an issue with any of the facts, I would suggest you start with
the FAA.

Regards,

Hamid

"""
Come on guys. Brent's attack ad is unfair and in part wrong. The Eclipse
will do 372K, not 275. It will carry 6, not 4 passengers. RVSM and 135
capability are delivered with all aircraft at this time. The fact that the
type rating is center line thrust is a great compliment and speaks of great
single engine handliing with the Eclipse. Upset training and recurrent
training are good things, not issues to be scoffed at. Flight into known
icing
is on the adjenda. Brent says he'll take his Lancair 4P. The 4P at my airport
has had 6 partial or complete engine failures so far!

Ken Wolf

BTW, my comment on the 4P takes the Lancair out of context and paints the
entire fleet badly and unfairly, just as did Brent's comments unfairly
reflect
on the Eclipse.
"""

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