X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 30 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:19:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [70.62.14.124] (HELO server1.USTEK) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1935325 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:09:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=70.62.14.124; envelope-from=rsimon@ustek.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76BF5.16913C88" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lancair vs Eclipse X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:11:20 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Lancair vs Eclipse Thread-Index: Acdr8jJExsiBDftpSoqZpObe87ZQ4wAAXSng From: "Lancair" X-Original-Sender: "Robert Simon" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76BF5.16913C88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That FAA report states: =20 The EA-500 is certified for Day, Night, VFR and IFR operations to a maximum operating altitude of 41,000 feet and is approved for flight into reduced vertical separation minimum (RVSM) airspace if the aircraft meets the minimum equipment requirements. At the present time, the distance measuring equipment (DME) system is not approved and the aircraft is restricted to operations below Flight Level 240. =20 So at the publication date the Eclipse was not RVS capable. =20 The EA-500 presently does not meet the minimum equipment and instrumentation requirements prescribed for operations in accordance with 14 CFR Part 135. =20 So at the publication date part 135 was not approved. =20 =20 The EA-500 is not approved for flight into known icing conditions As stated: no icing at that time.=20 =20 It has a total seating density of up to six, with two crew seats and three passenger seats (standard), or four passenger seats (optional).=20 So 5 or 6 total souls are possible aboard (depending on w&b). Original comment was "4 passengers" and that is technically correct since the other two are listed by this FAA document as crew. =20 =20 Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES (No RVS, no pt 135, no known icing, 3 passengers, centerline thrust, and I'm fine with that package. =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:48 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair vs Eclipse Posted for "Hamid A. Wasti" : Ken, The original comments were actually mine, so I will respond. The source for=20 all the data about the Eclipse that Brent posted is from:=20 http://www.opspecs.com/AFSData/FSBRs/Draft/EA-500%20FSB%20draft/EclipseE A-500DraftFSBReport.doc=20 If you have an issue with any of the facts, I would suggest you start with=20 the FAA. Regards, Hamid """ Come on guys. Brent's attack ad is unfair and in part wrong. The Eclipse will do 372K, not 275. It will carry 6, not 4 passengers. RVSM and 135=20 capability are delivered with all aircraft at this time. The fact that the=20 type rating is center line thrust is a great compliment and speaks of great=20 single engine handliing with the Eclipse. Upset training and recurrent=20 training are good things, not issues to be scoffed at. Flight into known icing=20 is on the adjenda. Brent says he'll take his Lancair 4P. The 4P at my airport=20 has had 6 partial or complete engine failures so far!=20 Ken Wolf BTW, my comment on the 4P takes the Lancair out of context and paints the=20 entire fleet badly and unfairly, just as did Brent's comments unfairly=20 reflect=20 on the Eclipse.=20 """ -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76BF5.16913C88 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That FAA report states:
 
The=20 EA-500 is certified for Day, Night, VFR and IFR operations to a maximum=20 operating altitude of 41,000 feet and is approved for flight into = reduced=20 vertical separation minimum (RVSM) airspace if the aircraft meets the = minimum=20 equipment requirements.  At the present time, the = distance=20 measuring equipment (DME) system is not approved and the aircraft is = restricted=20 to operations below Flight Level 240. =20
So at the=20 publication date the Eclipse was not RVS=20 capable.
 

The EA-500 = presently does=20 not meet the minimum equipment and instrumentation requirements = prescribed for=20 operations in accordance with 14 CFR Part 135. 

So at the=20 publication date part 135 was not approved. =20

 
The EA-500 is not approved for flight = into=20 known icing conditions
As stated: no icing at that time.=20
 
It=20 has a total seating density of up to six, with two crew seats and three=20 passenger seats (standard), or four passenger seats (optional).=20
So 5 or 6 total souls are possible = aboard=20 (depending on w&b).  Original comment was "4 passengers" and = that is=20 technically correct since the other two are listed by this FAA document = as=20 crew.
 
 
Robert M. Simon
ES-P N301ES
(No = RVS, no pt 135,=20 no known icing, 3 passengers, centerline thrust, and I'm fine with that=20 package. 
 
 
 

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 marv@lancair.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:48=20 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Lancair vs=20 Eclipse

Posted for "Hamid A. = Wasti"=20 <hwasti@starband.net>:

Ken,

The original comments = were=20 actually mine, so I will respond. The source for
all the data about = the=20 Eclipse that Brent posted is from:=20
http://www.opspecs.com/AFSData/FSBRs/Draft/EA-500%20FSB%20draft/Eclip= seEA-500DraftFSBReport.doc=20

If you have an issue with any of the facts, I would suggest you = start=20 with
the FAA.

Regards,

Hamid

"""
Come on = guys.=20 Brent's attack ad is unfair and in part wrong. The Eclipse
will do = 372K, not=20 275. It will carry 6, not 4 passengers. RVSM and 135
capability are=20 delivered with all aircraft at this time. The fact that the
type = rating is=20 center line thrust is a great compliment and speaks of great
single = engine=20 handliing with the Eclipse. Upset training and recurrent
training = are good=20 things, not issues to be scoffed at. Flight into known
icing
is = on the=20 adjenda. Brent says he'll take his Lancair 4P. The 4P at my airport =
has had=20 6 partial or complete engine failures so far!

Ken = Wolf

BTW, my=20 comment on the 4P takes the Lancair out of context and paints the =
entire=20 fleet badly and unfairly, just as did Brent's comments unfairly =
reflect=20
on the Eclipse.
"""

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