Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #24066
From: Skip Slater <skipslater@earthlink.net>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Unsafe in any plane
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 14:29:45 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Some random thoughts on spin recoveries:
 
My up front disclaimer is that I am not a IV/IV-P flyer, have no significant level of expertise in the plane and my comments are generic in nature to hopefully give some food for thought.  As a former military pilot, I have a fair amount of experience spinning airplanes, both props and jets.  While I've been surprised by some of the spin entries and exits, the ratio of the two is 1:1 for me, so in that regard I have been successful in dealing with them. 
 
I'd also like to note that I've never entered a spin unintentionally and that I've also never attempted one where I wasn't either wearing a parachute in a plane designed for easy egress or sitting on an ejection seat.  I have no intention of ever exploring that part of the flight envelope in my ES regardless of my experience.
 
In the case of the IV-P, there are a few knowns from my own observations and what I've learned from about five years reading the LML:
 
1.  When Dave Allen, acting as a professional test pilot for an ES builder, entered an unintentional spin at a mid CG location, he observed that he didn't believe the ES has enough elevator or rudder to recover from a spin at an aft CG.  The IV's have a much smaller horizontal stab and elevator than the ES, which would make recovery even more problematic.  
 
2.  The ES's typically have an empty CG that's near or right at the forward limit and they're nearly impossible to load such that the aft CG limit is exceeded.  The IV's have a more aft CG to start with, which moves even further aft when the gear is raised.  Has anyone ever measured the CG shift with the gear up?  My guess is that some aft limit loaded planes may actually go out of limits when they raise the gear.
 
3.  It's a fact of life that the further aft the CG is in just about any plane I can think of, the more difficult it it becomes to recover from a spin.  It occurs to me that anything you could do to move the CG forward would somewhat enhance your chances of recovery from a spin if you have sufficient altitude to attempt a recovery, as it appears that the IV-P over the Grand Canyon had.  With that in mind, have any of the experienced IV flyers/instructors ever suggested dropping the gear to help move the CG forward in the event of a spin?
 
4.  On the aerodynamic side, a further aft center of lift on the wing will help get the nose lower.  Lowering flaps moves the center of lift aft.  Has there ever been any suggestion to partially lower the flaps on the IV's in the event of a spin to help lower the nose (and angle of attack)?  Worrying about a possible flap overstress seems to be a moot point when lives are at stake. 
 
5.  We all know that the p factor from our props gives a push to the left side of the vertical stab, necessitating varying degrees of right rudder to counter it.  If you happen to enter a spin that's turning to the RIGHT, using power would seem to me to offer some additional aerodynamic help in stopping the rotation.  CAUTION: There's the very real possibility that a recovery of this nature could rapidly develop into a spin in the opposite direction if the controls aren't neutralized and power pulled to idle at the first sign of recovery, so a pilot would have to be spring loaded to recognize a recovery.
 
There's no substitute for training and you can't train for spins an any Lancair.  There's a huge difference between a reasoned, experienced reaction to a stall, post stall gyration, departure or a fully developed spin and a reaction of stark terror and panic because you find yourself in a situation you've never seen before.  We can talk all we want about proper training in Lancairs, but unless you've had military experience with all of this stuff, proper high performance training for us as pilots should include spin training at an established aerobatic school.  It's a small investmment that will increase not only our awareness of the elements of a spin, but avoidance of them and the proper recovery from them.  While that won't guarantee that you'll be able to recover an aft loaded IV-P or any other plane for that matter (altitude most often being the limiting factor for recovery), it will certainly offer us the best chance at it.
 
I welcome the comments of our experienced IV drivers and teachers out there.
 
Skip Slater
N540ES
 
    
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