Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #24005
From: Yacht-Pool <yacht-pool@forsikring.dk>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Hartzell propellors
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:41:46 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
> I am having difficulty with the prop shops up here in Canada

You probably would have difficulties with prop shops all over the world. Hartzell Standard Practices Manual 202A states that if a blade is damaged beyond repair, the hub has to be retired as well.
I have tested the seriousity of this statement face to face with a reputable prop shop and the result was:

History:
Being a cheap fellow, I bought a set of loose blades overseas and a loose hub at the local airfield. The hub had been on the shelf for countless years and nobody remembered where it came from, but it might have suffered a strike. I sent the hub to the shop for an OH, telling the guy that I had no idea where it came from, but it probably had suffered a strike. A few days later the guy called me and the conversation turned out something like this:

I am sorry to have to inform you, that we are not able to issue a form 8130 on your hub.
    Why not, I assumed an OH would make it airworthy???
Negative, if it has suffered a strike, it has to be retired due to 202A.
    What if it has not been involved in a prop strike, but we simply do not know where it comes from?
That is another story, in that case another SB states that we have to overhaul it, regardless of its condition, and then we can release it to service.
    Hmmm..... Nice...... Excactly how effective are the inspection procedures?
Well, the SB states that the hub can be released to service.
    You already told me that, but excactly how effective are the inspection procedures???
Well, we can dye penetrant, magnaflux and a lot of other stuff that I did not understand and do it all twice, that ought to be fairly effective.
    Just how effective is "fairly effective"???
Well, the SB states that the hub can be released to service.
    I ALREADY KNOW THAT! Hmmm.... Ok: Would YOU happily fly behind this propeller after an OH?
Nope, no type of inspection is 100%, but, provided that you are aware of this, if you tell us to OH your hub we will go ahead and do it.

Lessons learned:
Lesson #1: If nobody gives a #&%¤ whether you live or not and you feel old  ( or ugly ) enough do suffer a violent death, take your disassembelled hub to another shop. Tell them you don´t know where it comes from and have them OH it. Buy new ( or other ) blades and have the shop install them. You now have a serviceable prop.
Make sure you are the first to die in a prop related accident, otherwise someone elses widow can sue the #%&# out of you!

I, for one, now have a very expensive anchor block for my boat!

Lesson #2: In case the above does not apply to you, buy a complete used propeller ( Piper Dakota uses the F2YR-1F hub that also fits a 360 ) with a log book, sell the blades and spinner, OH the hub and you will be ok.
I did this and feel good about it.

CHEAP IS GOOD, CHEAP AND SAFE IS BETTER!
 

Regards
Tim Jorgensen
360FB  /  40%

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