Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67120
From: <marv@lancair.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Question on Legacy MG Strut
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:24:30 -0400
To: <lml>



Posted for "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>:

> I think it is just simply that Lancair was owned for many years by a lawyer
> and the poison has yet to be metabolized.   :>)
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> Bill B
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>From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Paul
> Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:31 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: Re: [LML] Question on Legacy MG
> Strut
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> I found your note on the liability waiver and refusal to provide
> instructions an interesting position by Lancair.  I'd like to expand the
> topic and make a few comments about owners being able to maintain their
> aircraft in an airworthy condition.  I have personal and group involvement
> in this matter with certified aircraft.
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>For decades the alphabet groups and FAA and manufacturers have been fighting
> over the FARs that requires type certificated US aircraft manufacturers to
> make available airworthiness instructions to the "owner" so that the
> aircraft can be maintained in an airworthy condition at all times.  This
> means instructions, parts availability, CRMs and more.  Many manufacturers
> have gone to extremes to satisfy that requirement.
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> Some firms like Airbus do not want to disclose proprietary data and have
> purposely not adhered to the FARs in this respect and forced owners to
> overhaul or replace parts at great expense.  Those battles continue.
> Conversely, companies like Beech and Cessna have long made the parts and
> data available and Cessna will even cross-reference Cessna part numbers for
> original part numbers so you can go source the original or generic part
> needed  (o-rings, motors, brushes etc).  King Air landing gear (for example)
> is arguably more complex than an ESCO strut but the Beech gear can:
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> a) be exchanged at Beech or
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> b) sent to any shop of your choice qualified in that category or
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> c) repaired and overhauled in your own hangar.
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> That's because Beech makes available to owners and shops all the Component
> Repair Manuals and instructions needed to accomplish the tasks.
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> While Lancairs may be different because of the experimental category, these
> aircraft must still be maintained in an airworthy condition.  Therefore, I
> would argue that Lancair should make the data available to any owner or shop
> so that Lancairs can be maintained in an airworthy condition whether it be
> repairs, overhauls, inspections or whatever is needed to ensure
> airworthiness.  Those procedures and the parts necessary to maintain them
> are part of what makes the Lancair an airplane--not just the original kit.
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> If I were running the ship, I'd do whatever I can to make the operating
> costs for Lancairs as low as possible.  I'd publish and sell a complete set
> of manuals for overhaul and repair instructions (as TCM does for the engine)
> plus I'd offer to perform the work in-house as well (if that makes sense).
> That makes for a very happy owner group and keeps costs under control and
> allows everyone in the world to maintain an airworthy airplane.
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> It is the owner's airplane, the owner's strut and the owner's responsibility
> to maintain it in an airworthy condition.  The data to keep it airworthy is
> not proprietary and should not be locked away in someone else's cabinet.
> That's just wrong.
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> I could be wrong but I look forward to comments on that position and I
> suggest anyone looking to buy any airplane simply ask where all the
> instructions for continued airworthiness reside.   The answers can be
> revealing.
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> Paul
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> On 24 September 2013 04:19, Valin & Allyson Thorn <thorn@starflight.aero>
> wrote:
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> Paul,
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> Normally this work is done by Lancair and that is their strong preference.
> We wanted to do it ourselves for its educational value.  After some
> deliberations, Lancair agreed and required us signing a liability waiver and
> they would provide absolutely no instructions but would sell us the seals.
>

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