Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #63690
From: Lancair <lancair-esp@ustek.com>
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Subject: RE: [LML] Re: stalls
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:32:42 -0500
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Interesting: In all the twins I have flown not once was a stall an approved procedure.  Approach to stall sure, but never a full stall.  So why must Lancairs be stalled?
Seems that the Lancairs are in the twin situation.  So learn the feel at the approach to a stall (I have), us an AoA (I do), and the planes are safe and a joy to fly (they are!).

Robert M. Simon
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From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:04 PM

aerodynamically, I don't know what  a Lancair has in common with a Zlin.    One thing it doesn't have is excess control authority.   I'm all in favor of stall recognition training but I wouldn't advocate everyone going out in their Lancair's solo and doing it....
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On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Andres Katz wrote:
Why not?
If you never stall the airplane when it happens you won't be able to recognize what is doing and how to react. Learning what your airplane does when it stalls and recovering from it is essential to safe flight. In flying Acro we stall the airplane multiple times, at low altitude and in front of ungrateful critical sobs that will laugh at you when you screw up but will give you good tips about recovering from it. Every airplane stalls differently, right wing drop, left wing drop, bucking etc. learning what the airplane does pre stall is the most important. My ZLIN 50 is so nice it begins to buckle and bitch at me and tells me what I need to do (lower the stick) before it kills me. I advise you to get a good instructor and go to 10,000 feet and spend the best 2 hrs of your life stalling your airplane and getting to know her. It's 
Ike making love to your wife and knowing when she is happy.....
Sorry about that but
My old savvy instructor when checking me out in single seat airplanes always told me the same, go out to a safe altitude, stall the airplane, learn when it does it look at the speed when it happens, add 10  knots and come and land, it has never failed to get me down safely ie yak55, Jungmeister, ZLIN, chipmunk etc.
My few cents worth of it. You will live longer.

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" <superdmp@sonic.net> wrote:
I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in my 360.  After reading the stall and stall spin accident information, I just don't think it's worth the risk.  On take-off, I stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold.  During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed.  Too many variables in a home built airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain).

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From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] stalls
Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN.  If you are flying low under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified  safety pilot
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