X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:32:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [70.62.14.124] (HELO ustek.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 5992925 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Jan 2013 08:23:28 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=70.62.14.124; envelope-from=r.simon@ustek.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CDE9B4.FF3D82BE" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: stalls X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:19:44 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: stalls Thread-Index: Ac3ptDOk/xaiC5sZTZe02f73Yngrng== From: "Lancair" X-Original-Sender: "Robert Simon" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Cc: "Colyn Case" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CDE9B4.FF3D82BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting: In all the twins I have flown not once was a stall an = approved procedure. Approach to stall sure, but never a full stall. So = why must Lancairs be stalled? Seems that the Lancairs are in the twin situation. So learn the feel at = the approach to a stall (I have), us an AoA (I do), and the planes are = safe and a joy to fly (they are!). Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:04 PM aerodynamically, I don't know what =A0a Lancair has in common with a = Zlin. =A0 =A0One thing it doesn't have is excess control authority. =A0 = I'm all in favor of stall recognition training but I wouldn't advocate = everyone going out in their Lancair's solo and doing it.... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:45 AM, Andres Katz wrote: Why not? If you never stall the airplane when it happens you won't be able to = recognize what is doing and how to react. Learning what your airplane = does when it stalls and recovering from it is essential to safe flight. = In flying Acro we stall the airplane multiple times, at low altitude and = in front of ungrateful critical sobs that will laugh at you when you = screw up but will give you good tips about recovering from it. Every = airplane stalls differently, right wing drop, left wing drop, bucking = etc. learning what the airplane does pre stall is the most important. My = ZLIN 50 is so nice it begins to buckle and bitch at me and tells me what = I need to do (lower the stick) before it kills me. I advise you to get a = good instructor and go to 10,000 feet and spend the best 2 hrs of your = life stalling your airplane and getting to know her. It's=A0 Ike making love to your wife and knowing when she is happy..... Sorry about that but My old savvy instructor when checking me out in single seat airplanes = always told me the same, go out to a safe altitude, stall the airplane, = learn when it does it look at the speed when it happens, add 10 =A0knots = and come and land, it has never failed to get me down safely ie yak55, = Jungmeister, ZLIN, chipmunk etc. My few cents worth of it. You will live longer. Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" = wrote: I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether = in my 360.=A0 After reading the stall and stall spin accident = information, I just don't think it's worth the risk.=A0 On take-off, I = stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the = green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my = flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above = the threshold.=A0 During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical = slow flight speed.=A0 Too many variables in a home built airplane with = no precise envelope,=A0a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it = is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible = extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). ________________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Ed Gray Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] stalls Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN.=A0 If you are flying = low under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified =A0safety pilot No virus found in this message. 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