Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #29203
From: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] George or Craig for combined wisdom
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 22:06:12 -0500
To: <lml>
Posted for "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>:

 Yes.
 
  
 Maybe  95% 100LL and  5% 92(R + M)/2.
  
 Seriously… the TSIO-550 at 350 Hp is one of the three or four most difficult
engines with respect to detonation,  after two or three Lycoming 350 Hp
engines.
  
 It is not a vapor pressure issue.  It   *IS*  an  octane issue.
 
 The vapor pressure is mostly a  climb to altitude without vapor lock issue.
 
  Yes… I have blended fuels and do have dyno results in a variety of
combinations.  But there is superb published data on a lot of this.
 
  I can run a 350 Hp TIO or TSIO engine to only about 210 to 230  Hp on premium
car gas.  Then all hell breaks loose.  Not a pretty sight.  And that is at
modest CHTs.  Add on hot day or altitude conditions and it gets worse.
 
  We can run the most difficult engine in the fleet (TIO-540J2B)  with PRISM
under hot day certification conditions and do that on unleaded Avgas.    MON
about 92.   But that is a very different fuel than  92 (R+M)/2 car gas,  which
has a MON of about 87.
  
 Regards,  George
 
    _____
 
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John W.
Cox
 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 8:20 PM
 To: Lancair Mailing List
 Subject: [LML] George or Craig for combined wisdom
 
 
 
 With your combined knowledge of mechanical engine function can you address
the following?
 
 Is their a point (Mixing Ratio) of combining 100LL AVGAS with 92RON or better
MOGAS that the Reid Pressure Number stays low enough that Pre-Ignition or
Detonation is not a factor in the Continental TSIO-550, TNIO-550, IO-550 or an
M14P Radial.  With the fluctuating price of refined fuels and talk of mixing
these or using auto engines (alternatives), it has me wondering.  I had heard
mention that the radials can handle a blend.  Have you ever obtained dyno
results on blended fuels with these powerplants?  Is this a potential with the
PRISM system?
 
 
 
 John W. Cox

[ I through the PRISM "mags" wouldn't fit on an overhead induction cont
like the TSIO-550 and IO-550 ?? -Rob ]

 
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