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Sorry, not buying it Bill. If you are going to quote
speeds here, quote speeds, not calculated speeds based on so many variables that
the end result is meaningless. That sounds like something we'd see on the other
list, not here. As far as I know, Don's best reported speed is 174 IAS
(and IAS is not all that meaningful either). Based on performance that Don
has actually reported his performance is roughly equivalent to mine (and
I'm both prop and gearing limited). His performance may have improved since
he reported those numbers. In any case I'd prefer to stick to
facts.
Speaking of the other list, Paul has video of a PP
Renesis on a dyno at Mazdatrix cranking out near 250HP @7500RPM. And he
had the dyno sheet to prove it. Powersport claimed 210HP at 2700 prop RPM (their
reduction ratio was around 2.2; roughly 6000 engine RPM). I believe they
also had dyno data to prove it. I'm anxious to hear how Mark Stietle's PP 20B
performs.
Mike Wills
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:25 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Planning
Mike,
Don didn’t report speed. I took his pitch and rpm
and figured it. That speed at cruise is what he would get with no slippage
or “lift” from the prop. Most of the folks with the Catto are actually
getting higher speeds than would be calculated which indicates that the prop is
producing “lift”, not slippage.
But his engine rpm with that big prop are higher than
any I have seen. With the rotary, rpm = horsepower. If you aint
making the rpm, you aint making the horsepower. It doesn’t seem to matter
what you have done to the engine…ported, PP, turbo, supercharger. If you
look at the dyno charts that are all over the web, you will see that torque is
pretty flat after about 4K, about 150 ft lbs. The horsepower is around 150
at 6K, maybe 180 at 7K, and 200 at 7.5K. You can get more horsepower than
that, but only if you scream it up to 8K or 8.5K. All the charts I
have seen are within 10 horsepower of each other at all rpms. The
difference in total horsepower is always a higher max
rpm.
We all talk about wanting to cruise at 5800 and make 200
horsepower…it aint happening! Not with the
rotary.
Bill B
From:
Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Mike Wills Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:17
AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Planning
I went back and looked at Don's
previous post. Saw reference to climb performance, RPMs, and temps, but no speed
numbers. Has he previously reported cruise speeds over 200? Last post from him
that I saw with any speed numbers reported 174MPH IAS at 8000. If he's over
200 now, wow those are good numbers!
Sent:
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:15 PM
Subject:
[FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Planning
Those are the best numbers I have seen with anyone with
a Renesis so far. In fact, I have not heard of numbers that good on any
13B. Don is getting over 200 MPH with a cruise prop and climbing at over
1400 fpm with it. The only way he is going to do better is either with an
electric CS prop and/or turbo. If he shaves the prop off to say, 74”, he
will get a couple hundred more rpm, but will probably lose in total
thrust. Diameter is a big determiner in
thrust.
I would like more pictures of Dons intake and
exhaust!
Bill B
From:
Rotary motors in aircraft
[mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Al Gietzen Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:05
AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Planning
1.
When I read your stats in your first paragraph, the first thought
that
comes to mind is that there is too much prop.
Ditto.
Al
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