Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #30879
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Rotary installed weight comparison
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:05:29 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Here's the data from my W&B page of builders log.
 
Left main    : 448
Right Main    :436
tail wheel    :50
 
Tot. Empty weight : 934
Empty CG Moment  : 68.675
 
This was prior to paint and a few other instrument panel meters & GPS.
 
The airplane gained weight due to several later additions like electric flaps, paint, better plenums, leather seat cushions.  
 
Then it lost some weight due to removal of extra battery (15 lb), lighter engine mount (6 lbs), oil filter plumbing (3.5 lb) Renesis engine (13 lbs), lighter intake manifold (6 lbs), redrive mods (3 lbs), removal of oil/coolant heat exchanger in oil pan (2.2 lb) and several other minor things that I have lost track of.
 
What the empty weight is now is not known but I can tell the CG is further aft.  I used to carry up to 240 lbs in back seat with neutral stability.  Now it happens at 220 lbs so that is my new upper limit for pax weight.
 
Tracy
 
Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary installed weight comparison

..(this was the thread about the [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary - FWD from Lancair ES List )..

Here's info for a rotary installation comparison if Tracy can recall his last W&B on his RV-4.  Tracy, how does your plane compare to this?
  • My RV-4 is bone stock VFR with lights (think J3-with-a-speed-kit) first flown in '96.
  • Lyc O-320 E2G, 150 HP, 2 mags, carb, no vacuum system, one radio and transponder
  • Sensenich FP metal prop with 2 2" spacers (41 pounds total for prop & spacers)
  • That big stock boat anchor starter
  • Heavier than necessary 10 ply tires (extra 6#) because they were on sale.
Empty weight 979# with 48# on the tail wheel
Empty CG 69.25 inches (using the 60 inch datum)


Mike McGee, RV-4 N996RV, O320-E2G, Hillsboro, OR
13B in gestation mode, RD-1C, EC-2



At 09:00 2006-03-23, you wrote:
It varies a lot depending on builder choices but I would put it closer to an O - 320,  a 30 - 45 lb difference depending on which of the many versions of the IO - 360 that Lycoming made).  The counterweighted crankshaft on the angle valve IO-360  (200 HP models) accounts for a 28 pound increase alone.
 
Tracy

Hennie,
I’m told the 2-rotor will come in about the same as an IO-360 installation.  This is a very common install in the RV-6, also in the RV-4 (Tracy Crook).  If you’re really interested, you can get onto the Fly Rotary group.  Good bunch of guys and they will be able to answer any question you may have about the rotary.

 
Mark   


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [ mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Hennie van Rooyen [HQP]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:56 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary - FWD from Lancair ES List

 
Hi Mark and anyone,

 
" Mazdatrix recently dyno’d a N/A peripheral-ported 13B for Paul Lamar at 250hp @ 6000rpm, running a carburetor.  That is an easy 125hp/rotor, and 250 hp from a 195# engine."

 
What would be a reasonable firewall forward weight of such a N/A complete installation? What I really want to know is what is the lightest installation to be expected based on average experience?

 
Regards,

 
Hennie
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