Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #22399
From: Al Gietzen <ALVentures@cox.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: The Rotary Powered Flyers Association
Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:07:49 -0700
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft' <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Ed;

 

I think the idea of a checklist; or what might become a sort of “manual” of suggested practice, is a good one; however, I don’t see it as necessarily a direct adjunct to a technical review.  Each installation is configured different according to the type of aircraft and the builders ideas.  Although a checklist can serve as a structure to coordinate a review; the important thing is (as you have stressed before) the function of a system, and the factors supporting that function, be clear to at least one member of the “advisor” team, so the review becomes configuration independent.  Perhaps it is just me, but the idea of checklists seems to structured, and the focus can become the checklist rather than what is actually going on.

 

The checklist and compilation of accepted practice is something that needs to be available to anyone even from the start of an installation.  Attempts at this have been made (Best practices, the Wiki site), but one function of the ARPA (or whatever) should/would be to bring more attention and focus on its compilation.

 

Just a couple of early morning stray thoughts.

 

Al

 

 

 

 

My suggestion is to start working on a "Checklist".  That could start here

on the list - not necessary for face to face for to get that ball rolling.

We even have some material such as the "Best Practices List" and the Weki?

thing (that I am not familiar with) that may well provide a starting point.

My point here is if we are to be successful we will need such a "checklist"

and if we are unable to develop one, I question how effective we are going

to be.  It should at least have a subpart that a builder could start

consulting from day one - as John Slade mentioned, with no guidance while

constructing - people are going to be a bit resistive to having invested

time and money and then are told they need to rip it out and start over.

Help  prevent the problem rather than help me fix it sort of approach.  I

know we could never cover all avenues and should not try.  I think we focus

on the rotary engine aspect particularly the critical subsystems such as: .

 

1.  Fuel

2.  Ignition

3.  Controller

4.  Electrical Wiring

5.  Lubrication

6.  Cooling

7.  Motor Mount

8.  Exhaust

9.  Intake

etc.

In each case, we might start out with a brief description of the function of

the subsystem, principles of operation, possible gotchas, examples of good

(or bad) approaches.

 

Clearly it would be a live body of knowledge that would continue to be added

to and refined.

 

 

Just some thoughts on the topic

 

Ed

----- Original Message -----

From: "David Staten" <Dastaten@earthlink.net>

To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:41 AM

Subject: [FlyRotary] The Rotary Powered Flyers Association

 

 

> Polling the list...

>

> Interest in forming such a group. Participation requirements will be left

> to be determined.

>

> Goals as previously stated:

> 1) Member Education and Safety

> 2) Pre-First Flight and Phase One Inspections and Support

> 3) Ongoing Peer Technical Support for rotary engined aircraft

> 4) Industry Liason (Insurance, Manufacturers, Kit Builders)

> 5) Accident Investigation / Rotary Engine Expertise

>

> This list serv can serve (with Marv's approval) as the means for

> distributing information regarding the group.

>

> It can incorporate separately, or as an independent EAA chapter, or as an

> adjunct to an existing EAA chapter. Incorporate or add on to a 501C3 so

> that expenses can be deducted by members.

>

> The Annual Business Meeting would be held in a public airshow venue, such

> as OSH, SNF, or Pickneyville.. prefereably someplace centrally located so

> ALL can attend with less than 2 days flying.

>

> Members would volunteer to be advocates for the rotary engine, provide

> peer safety inspections and technical counseling. Reimbursement for

> services/expenses can be considered and are to be determined later.

>

> We can better determine our direction and focus once an initial core group

> decides to start functioning. Once we know who/what our resources are,

> then we can better determine where to begin.

>

> David Staten

> League City (Houston), Texas

>

>

>

>

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