Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #20756
From: Jim Sower <canarder@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Upper Airspeed Data on Rotary-Powered Van's RV
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:34:34 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Flutter is intuitively an IAS issue, but TAS influences the harmonic aspects of the thing.

kenpowell@comcast.net wrote:

Hi Dave (and welcome John),
I agree that this (TAS) is really strange and not intuitive. But consider the source - Van himself!!! When I read this in RVator I had doubts but I gotta go with John on this unless we hear from another impeccable source to the contray. TAS it is!!!! Call Van if you need more info; I doubt any of us (do we have any aeronautical engineers on the list? I know we have every other flavor of engineer here!) have the knowledge to debate this with Van.
--
Ken Powell
Bryant, Arkansas
501-847-4721

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    rv-7a wrote:

    However, my bubble was busted by the Van's RVAtor article on
    flutter (6th issue 2004). Van’s engineers instructed their
    readership on flutter – that Vne is really a TAS limit, not an
    IAS limit. A US Air Force pilot and RV commuter corroborated the
    Van’s article by telling his disturbing TAS flutter story (first
    2005 RVAtor issue). If you haven’t read this, I recommend it for
    all pilots, no matter what they fly.

    I’ve decided to follow Van’s advice and restrict my upper
    airspeed to limit to 200 KTS TAS in smooth air. I don’t want to
    be a test pilot. Therefore, I’m reconsidering my plan to
    supercharge the Renesis/RD-1C installation. The weight penalty
    may not be worth climb performance increase if 200 KTS TAS cruise
    can be easily achieved with a normally aspirated installation. If
    I can collect empirical data from RV Rotary flyers, it would sure
    help my decision.

    Thanks,

    John Burns

    rv-7a@comcast.net <mailto:rv-7a@comcast.net>

    http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jgburns/Engine/Engine.html for my
    engine webpage.

    Intuitively it does not make sense that flutter is a TAS issue. I
    would be interested in reviewing the engineering/hypothesis on
    which this is based. The plane "feels" IAS.. not TAS... you can
    have a TAS of 400 and still have only an IAS of 200 (if you are
    high enough).. IAS is the dynamic pressure and state that the
    aircraft experiences. So.. I would be greatly interested in
    knowing why the engineers are making this claim and what its basis is.

    Dave

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