Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #20651
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: All Parts have arrived, Whew!
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 21:55:03 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Well, George, I would not  take the conclusion that far.  We have folks flying with several hundred more hours than I have with no apex seal failures.  In fact to the best of my knowledge, I am the only one I am aware of other than Chuck Dunlap who's rotary engine swallowed a 1/4" dia steel bolt (it was retained - so we know) to have an apex seal failure in an aircraft.  However, I do believe that folks need to be more aware of the true condition of their used engine components - I know all probably did was look at it and not seeing any obviously defects or dings said - "good to go!"
 
As you know, Leon is convinced my apex seal failure was also due to foreign object ingestion - I certainly can not prove it was something else (like the apex seal slop)  although I don't believe a foreign object  to be the case - belief is not a fact {:>). 
 
 
Ed
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Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: All Parts have arrived, Whew!

Ed,
Good thinking and good to get the feed-back.
I do believe we are starting to see a trend, in regard to apex seal slot wear. I believe the problem is that it's starting to give the rotary, for Aviation use, a bad name, and it's the sort of thing that could easily do it.
When you think about it, too much slop is going to aggravate the apex seal side wear, which could have resulted in those chatter marks.
George ( down under)
George, the rotor housings had some wear - but no gouges or groves, no missing chrome - so they were probably OK to reuse again.  However, there was what appeared to be "chatter" wear - strips across the chrome at regular intervals.  When you rubbed your fingers along them I could detect a faint wave like pattern (valleys and peaks).  So decided with new rotors and seals to go with new rotor housings.  Those were used ones and who knows how many miles they might have had. 
 
Well, I was quite surprised at the amount of wear on the seals -  they were brand new 150 hours ago but the seals were badly grooved and worn - now I am certain that wear was greatly accelerated by the poor condition of the seal slots - but still.  In any case, new stronger seals are going to be used next - as well as additional of an air filter.  I personally don't think an airfilter would have made any difference in the apex seal breaking - but, I also noticed that the rotor metal oil rings were worn outside the specs and they were new 150 hours ago.  So I do believe I have had some accelerated wear due to the dust in and around my hangar over the past two years.  Since a filter is cheap, I'm going to stick one on.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:23 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: All Parts have arrived, Whew!

Ed,
Were the old housing junked because you spat the apex seals?
 
I just got a report that one bloke in Victoria Aust is only getting 200 hrs out of new seals before they break - I wonder if it's the same problem? I'm pretty sure it is!
 
George ( down under)
Ok, folks, the fun begins.  Got the last of the parts in today, so can start the assembly tomorrow. Waited for UPS to deliver the oil control rings all day - so was down in the dumps when 1600 rolled around and no UPS truck.  So maundered down to the mail box and their wedged into its opening was a USPS package - not UPS! 
 
Going to sit down tonight with a bowl of pop corn and watch Bruce T perform the assembly part.   I noticed that the transcript did not have anything on the reassembly - so assume that I either got tired of listening to Bruce, figured that the assembly was just the reverse of the disassembly - or lost that part.
 
Got all the rotor parts in plastic sandwich bags marked for which rotor, which side of rotor and which apex.  For most parts it really doesn't matter but, for instance, is very important when replacing the oil control seals to put the springs back correctly according to direction of rotation and side of the rotor.  Also important on the side seals to get them in the right slot or else all that work trimming the side seals to get that precision fit is lost.
 
First time I've actually had new rotors and housings - I like the looks - though not necessarily what they cost. But,  Bruce gave the best price out of three quotes I got.  Just wanted you to know.
 
Ed
 
 
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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