Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with ESMTP id 782719 for rob@logan.com; Mon, 21 May 2001 08:33:36 -0400 Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com ([24.0.95.84]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 21:49:31 -0400 Received: from c656256a ([65.0.202.160]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010521015636.NLBN21661.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@c656256a> for ; Sun, 20 May 2001 18:56:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c0e19a$1b3141c0$a0ca0041@mshome.net> From: "Robert Smiley" To: References: <005201c0e17a$8b051640$84588ec6@user> Subject: Re: LIV nav reception Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:02:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> There are two problems using two antennas and a splitter in reverse used as a combiner. First. all splitters and/or combiners lose signal strength resulting from the internal circuitry. This is a fact of physics and can be easily measured and considered in design. ie a two way tv splitter loses 3.5 db signal loss. A three way splitter is nothing more than three two way splitters combined in a triad. Thus the loss is 3.5 plus 3.5 or 7 db total. In the two way scenario you would want the antenna to produce more than 3.5 db in order to provide a gain in signal strength. The second problem is antenna phasing which are combined in an array ie. the signal may reach the antenna at different times thus the signal when combined may be slightly or grossly out of phase thus degrading the signal. This can be overcome with precise length cables between antennas. Third It can only be done on stationary fixed situations. Since the plane is moving through the air and the antennas cannot be equi -distant from a tansmitter you have a situation that cannot be solved. Example, I owned and operated a cable tv system. Weak tv signals could be amplified by an array of up to four tv roof top antennas cut to a specific frequency coupled with three two way combiners. The jumpers between the antennas and combiners had to be very precisely cut and the image viewed through an oscilloscope and tv to see if the multiple images were in phase. Out of phase images were visualized as leading or trailing ghosts or multiple images. This is the same image you would see from multi path situations where the single source signal was received by a direct path from the transmitter and other reflected signal paths from buildings, water surfaces, aircraft bounces etc. The fix on the array was to minutely vary the jumpers between the antenna and splitters to vary the time length to place the images in phase thus overlapping the images in time and space. With respect to audio signals; multipath signals may be less sensitive. I would be interested how successful your idea would work in a mobile moving audio only application. As for video it definitely will not work. Bob Smiley N94RJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>