Return-Path: Received: from wind.imbris.com ([216.18.130.7]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-70783U4500L450S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 11:37:59 -0500 Received: from regandesigns.com (cda131-137.imbris.com [216.18.131.137]) by wind.imbris.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f23GkTX18832; Sat, 3 Mar 2001 08:46:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3AA103AF.CEC47BFB@regandesigns.com> Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2001 08:46:27 -0600 From: Brent Regan To: Lancair List CC: N295VV@aol.com Subject: Re: Cabin Heat X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Disclaimer: On my IV-P I designed the Lycoming engine installation including the turbocharger system and the cabin air valve. My experience is limited to this configuration and I am not intimate with the comparable systems on the Continental engine. I am also taking some liberties with the finer points so as not to come across as a total dweeb (lost cause). Also, please read my post from yesterday on this topic. Lets follow a chunk of air as it passes through the airplanes systems. Our air chunk is minding it's own business at 10,000 MSL (20" pressure and 23 deg.F) when it is scooped up by our airplane and accelerated to about 250 Kts and crammed together with a bunch of other chunks of air. Its pressure rises to about 20.75" and its temperature rises to about 27 degrees. Next comes the air cleaner where it looses about 0.1" of pressure. The turbocharger compressor (carousel from hell) is the next stop. As the air chunk passes through the compressor its temperature rises for two reasons; one is that it is being compressed and the other is that the thrashing about of the turbocharger imparts motion to the air and motion is heat. In techno babble, the adiabatic compression raises the absolute temperature of the gas as a function of the ratio of the outlet pressure over the inlet pressure (pressure ratio) raised to the 0.283 power times the inlet absolute temperature. The result change (finale temp - start temp) must then be divided by the Adiabatic Efficiency (thrashing about heating) which on most turbos is about 70% (or .7) to get the total temperature rise. How hot the air gets is therefore a function of the pressure ratio and how hot it was when it started. So what is the pressure ratio? Well, say you are flying at 25" MAP, the deck pressure (depending on the system) runs a few inches over that, so about 28". Divide 28 by 20.65, raise to the .283 power and multiply by 487 degrees Rankine (deg. F + 460= absolute temperature) and you get about 530 degrees or a 43 degree rise. Divide this by .7 and we can estimate the air chunk is now at about 88 degrees (given standard day conditions). This is assuming that the air is tapped BEFORE the intercoolers. Our chunk of air at 28" and 88 degrees is now diverted to the cabin. It is admitted into the cabin from the deck pressure of the engine through a sonic venturi. A sonic venturi is nothing more than a nozzle (hole). It regulates flow by the principle that air cannot flow through a hole faster than the speed of sound (the sonic part). This is true in the pressure range we are interested in. The FAA mandated that each passenger receives 10 CFM of fresh air. A single sonic venturi with a 0.51 inch ID will flow about 50 CFM. An interesting thing happens when the air expands through the sonic venturi. It cools because it is expanding but it is also being heated as the potential energy in the pressure has to go somewhere and heat is the only option since no work is being done. If half the temperature drop is made up in heating than the air discharged into the cabin will be 73 degrees. If you run the equations at FL250 and a 28" MAP you get a discharge temperature of 117 degrees F. At 5,000 feet and 18" MAP you don't get any temperature rise at all. !?!?!?! Wadyamean no heat! Well, a turbo compressor is not positive displacement so air is free to move through it. The deck pressure cannot fall significantly below the ambient pressure. In low altitude, low power flight the turbo isn't doing any work to compress the air. No compression, no heat amigo. If you plan to fly low and slow in a IV on a cold day you better bring a blanket. Especially if you are flying a non-pressurized version. Air leaks around the gear and baggage doors are many times the flow from the sonic venturies. Thermodynamics, not just some good ideas, its the law. Further reading: Turbochargers by Hugh MacInnes (HP Books) Heat Engines by John F. Sandfort (Doubleday) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>