Return-Path: Received: from dawn.bna.boeing.com ([129.172.51.52]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-44819U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA17493 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:15:02 -0400 Received: from xch-wesbh-02.co.bna.boeing.com ([129.172.51.213]) by dawn.bna.boeing.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00948 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by xch-wesbh-02 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2407.0) id <458QX1CJ>; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:15:00 -0700 Message-ID: <11C3C3586E29D111B96300805F1921BB51C9F7@XCH-SBC-04.co.bna.boeing.com> From: "Schaefer, Daniel F" To: "'Lancair List'" Subject: optical sensors, fuel management Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:14:55 -0700 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 A source of optical sensors that I have used, and that sound very much like the ones invented by Dave Jones, is: IMO Industries Inc. One Cowles Road Plainville, CT 06062-9987 Their GEMS Express Service number is: 800-847-5691. (they call the sensors GEMS, I think). Anyway, ask for their "Level & Flow Sensors" catalog - it has a lot of goodies, like level, flow and float switches that could easily be put to good use in an airplane. My catalog has a card in it that says to call the above no. for a free copy of the catalog, so give it a go. I think their prices are quite reasonable, too. My main reason for getting interested in these was the fact that I prefer to manage my fuel manually, mainly to keep the system as simple as possible (to paraphrase something said in one of the last posts, simple means there's less to go wrong) but was having a devil of a time telling when the header was full. I was regularly pumping gas out the vent/overflow, as I bet many others have, either because of the inaccuracy of the sight gauge or because it was easy to forget the pump was "on". Since I was not willing to cut into the tank to install float switches, I decided to design a way to detect the onset of fuel overflow in the vent line and light a warning indicator. The GEMS optical sensor seemed to me to be a natural for this job though it does require a bit of circuit design to be able to drive a light or a relay. Nonetheless, it was just a matter of figuring out how to plumb it into the vent hose and cobble up a simple circuit to light the light. I still think it'd be the way to go and I'll leave it to one of you electronikers out there to take up where I left off. (At about the time I was finishing the design, my bench power supply decided to go belly up and zorch everything in sight, including my sensor samples. As a result, I stopped work on the optical sensors and turned to my back-up idea, a thermistor bridge sensor which also works great, so I never got back to finishing the original design - still think it'd work fine, though.) The thermistor sensor uses two thermistors in a bridge circuit which are slightly heated, equally, with a small trickle of current. One thermistor is placed in the vent/overflow tube where it can be cooled by gas going out the vent while the other stays dry and warm. Since a thermistor's resistance changes with it's temperature, this causes a drastic difference in the voltage across each which is detected and amplified to drive the light. Not so foreign to airplanes as sailplanes use a variation on this theme in their Variometers - a device which tells the pilot when he's getting into lift or sink by detecting the minute flow of air into, or out of, a sealed container over a thermistor bridge. Cheers, Dan Schaefer Attachment Converted: "d:\eudora\attach\optical sensors, fuel managemen"