Return-Path: Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.8]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-44819U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA26626 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:06:37 -0400 Received: from ReganRanch@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id 8LWa029193 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:06:31 -0400 (EDT) From: ReganRanch@aol.com Message-ID: <7308ed98.36221af7@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:06:31 EDT To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Subject: Hydraulics X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> In a message dated 98-10-12 01:23:20 EDT, you write: << And for Brent, many thanks for designing the flaw out of my IV-P's hydraulic system. But please tell me you had nothing to do with mounting the reservoir to the pump by running a bolt through the bottom of the resivour, and then modifying that installation with a stud. Ever try to seal a stud against hydraulic leakage with an "O" ring? >> Several of you have asked what the flaw was. The fatal flaw was using 4-way solenoid operated spool valves to actuate both the gear and the flaps in a hydraulic system without a filter. YST, spool valves don't have elastomeric (rubber) seals so they rely on a precision fit, typically between .0003 and .0005 inches, between sliding parts to control crossflow. Unfortunately this is a perfect spot to wedge some dirt or a drill cap or a metal chip or a sliver od paper or a thread from a rag or anything else in the universe bigger than 1/10 the width of a human hair. Having used these very valves before I was keenly aware of their shortcomings. I would never use them on my plane. I asked Lance "How many gear up landings due to hydraulic system failures are acceptable?" His answer was the right one "None" he said. I handed him one of the rotary plate valves we use now and said "Use these, they are more reliable, simpler, seal better, resist contamination AND they are cheaper!" I think the last one sold the program. The down side is the Hydraulic Controls salesman took me off his X-Mass card list, but hey, you can't keep everyone happy. As to the through bolt in the reservoir, ouch. When I received my reservoir the poor O-ring had already given up the fight and was half extruded from under the washer. I got a new O-ring that was a close fit to the bolt and then chamfered an aluminum washer deep enough to hold all but about .015" of the O- ring. The object is to have the washer take the tension load of the bolt and the O-ring to be compressed against the bolt and the tank. Hasn't had a leak since. Regards Brent