X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:03:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from rc3-smtp.comporium.net ([208.104.2.7] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTP id 6931339 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:52:33 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.104.2.7; envelope-from=snopercod@comporium.net Received: from bar01.comporium.net ([208.104.244.60]) by rc3-smtp.comporium.net ({885c17cc-cff6-4d92-8caa-cc0fa3baf93b}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20140612115158865 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:51:58 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1402573917-07cf4e12911ffac0001-yPXFKn Received: from rg20.comporium.net (rg20.comporium.net [208.104.2.10]) by bar01.comporium.net with ESMTP id 1X2eK3P6k3Le4koH for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: snopercod@comporium.net X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 208.104.2.10 Received: from 33.225.235.68.dsl.brvdnc.dynamic.citcom.Net (EHLO _127.0.0.1_) ([68.235.225.33]) by rg20.comporium.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BIT57002 (AUTH snopercod); Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:51:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <53999459.5050607@comporium.net> X-Original-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:51:53 -0400 From: John Cooper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Oildyne Hydraulic Pump Rebuild? 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I'm pretty sure the part number is incorrect, though; I think it should be 108AMS32-DL*B* (not D)-3V-14-08-Y. There is no "LD" code listed in the Oildyne manual, but "LB" designates "Reversible locking with Back Pressure", which I _think _is what people are using these days. Perhaps if Sam's part number was read over the phone, the B was understood as D? For all the folks suggesting I purchase a new pump at a marine or industrial supply store, that's not going to won't fly (no pun intended) if I give them the 108AMS32-CZZ-3V-14-08-Y part number that Lancair used to sell. It seems that Oildyne had included a "secret code" in that part number that translates to "for use in an experimental aircraft". That would be either the "ZZ" code in the "Circuit Type" block, or the "Y" suffix. Anybody know what the "Y" suffix means? Chris Z? What I need is to find the _real _part number without the secret codes. I think 108AMS32-CLB-3V-14-08 may be it. Anybody know the details of the EAB accident that precipitated the lawsuit against Oildyne? It seems like the EAA should get involved in this situation somehow. Oildyne refusing to supply their products to homebuilders is definitely going to have an adverse impact on safety by forcing us to use older, obsolete, power packs. Maybe the EAA could indemnify Oildyne if they start selling their pumps again? Just a thought... --John On 6/12/2014 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote: > Subject: > Re: [LML] Re: Oildyne Hydraulic Pump Rebuild? > From: > Paul Miller > Date: > 6/11/2014 7:51 AM > > > Fortunately, Parker builds pumps for a few other applications. > Reference this note on another site for possible solution (a few > years old. > > From: samcchristen > > To: lancair@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:28 PM > Subject: [Lancair] Parker Hydraulic Pump for 320/360 > > Hi All, > > I've been meaning to send this out for a while, but I wanted to give > you all an update on our hydraulic system problems. Some of you may > remember me as the guy who had a plethora of questions and laments > about our hydraulic system. It turned out that we were simply fighting > multiple problems at the same time. We now have gotten everything > worked out, but i did want to make something of a public service > announcement. If any of you need a new Hydraulic power pack on your > planes, the one Kit Components currently sells is purchased from > Parker-Oildyne. They are asking $1,350 to buy the pump from them. > Plus, since they need to order them from Parker, it takes a little > over a month to get one. We needed a new pump, so I looked into other > options. Eventually I was able to get Parker to make me essentially > the exact same pump for $750, plus i got it about 2 weeks faster. I > don't usually like going around the Lancair guys, but this was a > little too big of a price > difference to ignore. I wanted to let you all know the part number > that i got from Parker-Oildyne in case anyone needs a new pump. > > That part number is 108AMS32-DLD-3V-14-08-Y. It is now installed in > our bird and working very well. > > Thanks for all your help in dealing with this problem. Especially > Chris Zavatson, your advice really helped us getting to the bottom of > this! > > Best, > > Sam --------------080703040409020402040104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thanks Paul, that's useful information. I'm pretty sure the part number is incorrect, though; I think it should be 108AMS32-DLB (not D)-3V-14-08-Y. There is no "LD" code listed in the Oildyne manual, but "LB" designates "Reversible locking with Back Pressure", which I think is what people are using these days. Perhaps if Sam's part number was read over the phone, the B was understood as D?

For all the folks suggesting I purchase a new pump at a marine or industrial supply store, that's not going to won't fly (no pun intended) if I give them the 108AMS32-CZZ-3V-14-08-Y part number that Lancair used to sell. It seems that Oildyne had included a "secret code" in that part number that translates to "for use in an experimental aircraft". That would be either the "ZZ" code in the "Circuit Type" block, or the "Y" suffix. Anybody know what the "Y" suffix means? Chris Z?

What I need is to find the real part number without the secret codes. I think 108AMS32-CLB-3V-14-08 may be it.

Anybody know the details of the EAB accident that precipitated the lawsuit against Oildyne? It seems like the EAA should get involved in this situation somehow. Oildyne refusing to supply their products to homebuilders is definitely going to have an adverse impact on safety by forcing us to use older, obsolete, power packs. Maybe the EAA could indemnify Oildyne if they start selling their pumps again? Just a thought...

--John


On 6/12/2014 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:
Subject:
Re: [LML] Re: Oildyne Hydraulic Pump Rebuild?
From:
Paul Miller <pjdmiller@gmail.com>
Date:
6/11/2014 7:51 AM

Fortunately, Parker builds pumps for a few other applications.  Reference this note on another site for possible solution (a few years old.

From: samcchristen <samcchristen@...>
To: lancair@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: [Lancair] Parker Hydraulic Pump for 320/360
  
Hi All,

I've been meaning to send this out for a while, but I wanted to give you all an update on our hydraulic system problems. Some of you may remember me as the guy who had a plethora of questions and laments about our hydraulic system. It turned out that we were simply fighting multiple problems at the same time. We now have gotten everything worked out, but i did want to make something of a public service announcement. If any of you need a new Hydraulic power pack on your planes, the one Kit Components currently sells is purchased from Parker-Oildyne. They are asking $1,350 to buy the pump from them. Plus, since they need to order them from Parker, it takes a little over a month to get one. We needed a new pump, so I looked into other options. Eventually I was able to get Parker to make me essentially the exact same pump for $750, plus i got it about 2 weeks faster. I don't usually like going around the Lancair guys, but this was a little too big of a price
difference to ignore. I wanted to let you all know the part number that i got from Parker-Oildyne in case anyone needs a new pump. 

That part number is 108AMS32-DLD-3V-14-08-Y. It is now installed in our bird and working very well. 

Thanks for all your help in dealing with this problem. Especially Chris Zavatson, your advice really helped us getting to the bottom of this!

Best,

Sam 

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