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John,
I think you pointed to the wrong section. Also, I think that manual
is either for a 235 or is just ancient. To avoid confusion, read the
2 pages attached for a discussion of up-stops. The modern manual is
available either at the LML site or someone will indicate how to get it.
The essential down stop is the full mechanical extension of the hydro
cylinders where the piston stops against the fwd end of the actuator for the
reasons I mentioned.
Yes, both stops can be achieved. Set the down stop first and then
adjust the up-stop via any method that works - added washers, cutting
the stop, etc.
Scott
In a message dated 5/28/2014 6:37:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
snopercod@comporium.net writes:
Scott--
The portion of your recent post on the
pressure spike topic (which I have highlighted in red, below) has my head
spinning. The reason is that I have spent the last two weeks re-rigging my
hydraulic cylinders because I did it wrong the first time around. I had
previously rigged the cylinders to keep pressure on the system when the gear
was retracted, and had the cylinders bottom out just after the gear was
down as you implied they should. According to Pg. 292 of the plans, the
way I did it was exactly backwards, and that scheme seems to have actually
bent one my cylinder attach bolts. If you go to Pg. 292 of the Builder's
Manual Ch. 11 , it emphasizes that the cylinders must bottom out
internally (or against the supplied aluminum spools) when the gear is
retracted. But paragraph 6 goes on to state: "The gear down side, due
to reduced geometry, does not require that the system be bottomed out." That's
why I posed my original question about going to 800 PSI rather than 500
PSI.
So I've rigged my cylinders per the instructions on Pg. 292:
Cylinders bottomed out against the spool pieces when the gear is retracted,
but NOT bottomed out when the shaft is extended and the gear is down.
Therefore I have low-side pressure pushing on the over-center link when the
gear is down. Is this wrong? Would it even be possible to rig the cylinders so
they are bottomed out both with the gear up and the gear down?
I note
that the plans describe the original placement of the main gear cylinders back
on Pg. 168 in Chapter 5, but the details of their action and adjustment comes
124 pages later in Chapter 11. It's almost like Lance added a page due to some
confusion on this issue. (I know I'm
confused.)
Help!
--John
At least for LNC2's the down actuators are to assist gravity and the
nose gear gas spring in order to extend the gear. The infamous
rat-trap springs on the main gear are to merely lock the over center.
Thus, not much hydro pressure is needed to extend the mains and nose
even at 122 Kts (max extension speed).
When the gear is extended the actuators under pressure are
merely used to keep the over center links locked (kinda like a backup
system). The actuator down stops must be set to keep hydro
pressure off of the links. "Why?" You might ask. Well,
examine the geometry - the force triangle is from the pivot to the link to
the link-spar attach point and back to the pivot along the spar. If
enough hydro force is applied to the actuator, the rod may become bent
or the now excessive force present at the link-spar connection can
delaminate it from the spar. Hard landings with some side loads have
caused failure there and that is why a service bulletin recommends putting a
reinforcing plate between the link-spar attach point and the upper
spar.
Yes, excessive pressure without
proper down stop rigging can cause problems.
Scott
Krueger
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