X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 07:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [63.230.26.161] (HELO exchange.arilabs.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 6903401 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 23 May 2014 19:56:54 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.230.26.161; envelope-from=kevin@arilabs.net Received: from exchange.arilabs.net ([10.100.100.1]) by exchange.arilabs.net ([10.100.100.1]) with mapi; Fri, 23 May 2014 17:56:17 -0600 From: Kevin Stallard X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 17:56:11 -0600 Subject: Re: [LML] Observations on Limited Life Items Thread-Topic: [LML] Observations on Limited Life Items Thread-Index: Ac924pLBOcu4AraPQTmz4JRHEP+f3Q== X-Original-Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DC9D069865064C3082C694834FE5071Farilabsnet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 --_000_DC9D069865064C3082C694834FE5071Farilabsnet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I got suckered by rumor=85and didn't check the facts=85.sorry :) Kevin On May 22, 2014, at 10:18 AM, > <= Sky2high@aol.com> wrote: Kevin, et al, I did a NTSB search from 1990 to present for Lancair accidents in Oregon - = there were 11 and none involved brake line failure. I flew my 320 from 1996 until 2013 with Nylaflow brake lines that arrived, = along with fittings, with my 1989 kit (over 1200 landings). However, the l= ines in the stub wing to the brake were sheathed with Tygon tubing to prote= ct against nicks and abrasion and Adele clamps were used to firmly support = the lines about 6-8 inches from the brake housing by screwing the clamps to= the rear of the wheel casting. For all I know, the buyer is still using those lines. It is possible that unsupported lines flop around in the wind when the gear= is out and the line is weakened at the brake-to-line fitting Scott Krueger In a message dated 5/22/2014 10:43:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kevin@ari= labs.net writes: I think the big problem is the plastic/rubber hose. You really don't want = it to fail on landing when you are really trying to stop. I believe a Lanc= air brake line failed somewhere in Oregon, airplane went off the runway and= smashed into a tree, killed everyone. Using Nyflow for brakes is kinda creepy for me... Kevin ________________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John Cooper [snopercod@comporium.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:43 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Observations on Limited Life Items Chris-- I'll be using the synthetic MIL-PRF-83282 brake fluid. It has a "Fire Point= " of 490=BA F, as compared to 360=BA F (?) with the standard MIL-PRF-5606. = The synthetic is approved for use with BUNA-N. John, That could have been ugly. A friend of mine with a Glasair had a rejected = takeoff on a short runway. As he turned off the runway, his plastic brake = line melted and the 5606 hit is brake disk. -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --_000_DC9D069865064C3082C694834FE5071Farilabsnet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I got suckered by ru= mor=85and didn't check the facts=85.sorry :)

Kevin
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On May 22, 2014, at 10:18 AM, &l= t;Sky2high@aol.com> <Sky2high@aol.com> wrote:

Kevin, et al,
 
I did a NTSB search from 1990 to present for Lancair accidents in Oreg= on -=20 there were 11 and none involved brake line failure.
 
I flew my 320 from 1996 until 2013 with Nylaflow brake lines=20 that arrived, along with fittings, with my 1989 kit (over 1200=20 landings).  However, the lines in the stub wing to the brake were shea= thed=20 with Tygon tubing to protect against nicks and abrasion and Adele clamps we= re=20 used to firmly support the lines about 6-8 inches from the b= rake=20 housing by screwing the clamps to the rear of the wheel casting.&= nbsp;=20
 
For all I know, the buyer is still using those lines. 
 
It is possible that unsupported lines flop around in the wind whe= n the=20 gear is out and the line is weakened at the brake-to-line fitting
 
Scott Krueger  
 
In a message dated 5/22/2014 10:43:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 kevin@arilabs.net writes:
I think=20 the big problem is the plastic/rubber hose.  You really don't want i= t to=20 fail on landing when you are really trying to stop.  I believe a Lan= cair=20 brake line failed somewhere in Oregon, airplane went off the runway and=20 smashed into a tree, killed everyone.

Using Nyflow for brakes is k= inda=20 creepy for=20 me...

Kevin

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Fro= m:=20 Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancai= ronline.net] On Behalf Of John Cooper=20 [snopercod@comporium.net]<= br>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 1:43 PM
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Subject: [LML] Re: Observations on Limited Life=20 Items

Chris--

I'll be using the synthetic MIL-PRF-83282 bra= ke=20 fluid. It has a "Fire Point" of 490=BA F, as compared to 360=BA F (?) wit= h the=20 standard MIL-PRF-5606. The synthetic is approved for use with=20 BUNA-N.

John,
That could have been ugly.  A friend of mine= with=20 a Glasair had a rejected takeoff on a short runway.  As he turned of= f the=20 runway, his plastic brake line melted and the 5606 hit is brake=20 disk.


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