X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:49:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTP id 6752135 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:21:30 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ksX16CmFBVjmfhN4ieREmueUl5TEDVtgZjM4Golb2jzjx9Nj1ULyFlO6/mvCDUgA; h=Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.8.30.30] (helo=DougsVAIO) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1WJ3he-0005LL-DR; Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:20:54 -0500 From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" X-Original-Cc: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Legacy canopy latch setup X-Original-Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 11:20:56 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <006801cf33d7$e4f63680$aee2a380$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01CF33AD.FC202E80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac8zxnScuCMlnEtUQ5SkEvxPY0UWdAAEUeyw Content-Language: en-us X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac0b4de374c5ae8ff79e25f762069f879d1e21d9642ed81bb25350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.8.30.30 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CF33AD.FC202E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, my guy will scan and print the canopy for less than $100,000.00 = ;-) =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Paul Miller Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:13 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy canopy latch setup =20 We have the talent here to do a 3d model and some wind testing without = the need to fly someone's airplane or do full power taxi tests. = Brunner could even get his guy to 3d print the canopy from all the = photos. The canopy is an airfoil, sometimes moving by itself. Paul On 2014-02-27, at 8:55, Chris Zavatson wrote: I've been following this Legacy canopy discussion mostly out of = curiosity. When a good friend dropped in with his Legacy, I had a look = at the latches. I took a photo of both the Legacy and 360 latches in = the locked position for comparison. Assuming both aircraft were = properly constructed and adjusted, I found the 360 latches to have a = much more 'positive' engagement with the stricker. By that I mean the = latches end with a much steeper and secure angle against the stricker. = -see attached. Regarding flying qualities with an open canopy, the 360 has also had = greatly varied reports ranging from uncontrollable to non-event. I am = curious if PIO played a roll in any of the flights that didn't end well. Also, I like having the ability to pull down on my canopy just prior to = latching it. I realize a handle at the top of the canopy frame is not = standard, but perhaps it should be. =20 Chris Zavatson N91CZ 360std http://www.n91cz.net/ =20 On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:31 AM, Leighton Mangels = wrote: Done right the latching mechanism on the Legacy works very well. That = said, it's important to adjust the latches so that both sides are = working equally. When setting them up I do one side at a time by = disconnecting the linkage at the crossover tube on one side and = adjusting the other side. Then reverse the process for the other one. = To check it out I put a piece of masking tape on the latch fingers on = both sides and close and latch the canopy. If both side are working = equally there will be evidence on the tape. It's possible to have it = appear that all's well when you latch the canopy but only one latch is = doing all the work. It's worth the effort to assure both sides are = contributing equally to the latching. With the canopy up and the latch = lever lowered the fingers should move down and then slightly back up = when fully latched. This assures the overcenter function is correct. = By the way, Josh Brungardt told me once that a Legacy will fly fine with = the canopy open but the problem is that distracted pilots forget the = most important rule: fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane! =20 Leighton Mangels =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01CF33AD.FC202E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah, my guy will scan and print the canopy for less than = $100,000.00=C2=A0 ;-)

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Paul Miller
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:13 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Legacy canopy latch setup

 

We have = the talent here to do a 3d model and some wind testing without the need = to fly someone's airplane or do full power taxi tests.   Brunner = could even get his guy to 3d print the canopy from all the photos. =   The canopy is an airfoil, sometimes moving by = itself.

Paul


On 2014-02-27, at 8:55, Chris = Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>= wrote:

I've been following this Legacy = canopy discussion mostly out of curiosity.  When a good friend = dropped in with his Legacy, I had a look at the latches.  I took a = photo of both the Legacy and 360 latches in the locked position for = comparison.  Assuming both aircraft were properly constructed and = adjusted, I found the 360 latches to have a much more 'positive' = engagement with the stricker.  By that I mean the latches end with = a much steeper and secure angle against the stricker.  -see = attached.

Regarding flying qualities with = an open canopy, the 360 has also had greatly varied reports ranging from = uncontrollable to non-event.  I am curious if PIO played = a roll in any of the flights that didn't end = well.

Also, I like having the ability = to pull down on my canopy just prior to latching = it.  I realize a handle at the top of the canopy frame is = not standard, but perhaps it should = be.

 

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Chris = Zavatson

N91CZ

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360std

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O= n Wednesday, February 26, 2014 7:31 AM, Leighton Mangels <leighton@teleport.com> = wrote:

D= one right the latching mechanism on the Legacy works very well.  = That said, it's important to adjust the latches so that both sides are = working equally.  When setting them up I do one side at a time = by disconnecting the linkage at the crossover tube on one side and = adjusting the other side.  Then reverse the process for the other = one.  To check it out I put a piece of masking tape on the latch = fingers on both sides and close and latch the canopy.  If both side = are working equally there will be evidence on the tape.  It's = possible to have it appear that all's well when you latch the canopy but = only one latch is doing all the work.  It's worth the effort to = assure both sides are contributing equally to the latching.  With = the canopy up and the latch lever lowered the fingers should move down = and then slightly back up when fully latched.  This assures the = overcenter function is correct.  By the way, Josh Brungardt told me = once that a Legacy will fly fine with the canopy open but the = problem is that distracted pilots forget the most important rule:  = fly the plane, fly the plane, fly the plane!

 

L= eighton Mangels

 

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