X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:54:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f174.google.com ([209.85.216.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTPS id 6707217 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:32:11 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.174; envelope-from=bob@bmackey.com Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id x13so1854518qcv.5 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from :to:content-type; bh=P2QXcxs5dh1TJ12oqQgo2wC6mSJhY0lMlH+4DG/dnT4=; b=lU8DVPjSPamWOky/fvBI+sHMak4owdFoNUyR2NfelxU4aHel7XsuuITgtH4SoiRNNR mGdU9aFfFJXcRhHK57A3ipE7uYNaoQf+c9rG0M9b9NeteDn9XBe/jV8X/4RQrAPlFsUD 2/8n5cg4hTJvU+VSxkvmEP9pIzBfqIvYQr3SaOz77vxkrQa9ypMnx6bw+nPF483YOsyq 0nB+BVE4Dt+7dAx3amUd9ISGGMbfN8ajzVTgZi7nAHYst8J7Fayo5sa9uBechTl7RE+t g2MSHrZsbE/0lw0UyQmBJV7ig5AsfySZ7wnsS1VmSdc13c9+UlpveiDz4tPSPPL1i7Du Xy7g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlruNtBO36jJThd+Kh8WMGAsoYtK3yIeUgThDHxCF0fx9xpZ5luRSZh30utstdFc25L5g7I MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.46.119 with SMTP id j110mr7679104qga.32.1390962695539; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Sender: bob@bmackey.com Received: by 10.96.132.166 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:31:35 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [192.147.44.15] X-Original-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 18:31:35 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6BEg21tqdv4nN4hwZw7BSqPNp_4 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: [LNC2] L235 on grass From: bob mackey X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11395aaa5d612204f112bd5c --001a11395aaa5d612204f112bd5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Steve, David: The small Lancairs (235, 320, 360) have small tires and little ground clearance at the prop. With the original rubber-donut landing gear, the ride was fairly harsh on pavement with expansion joints. With the oleo dampers (debongers), the ride is much better. Also, my landing skills improved markedly at the same time that I installed the debongers. I fly a 235 airframe with a high-compression O-320 engine (~170 HP). On pavement, I like to have 3000' for landing, and 2000'+ for takeoff. A constant speed prop can reduce that by adding more drag in landing configuration. On hardpacked, smooth dirt, the same requirements apply. I have operated from smooth hard dirt many times. On soft turf, I would be worried about the 3.5" wide 50psi tires digging in, making ruts, and contributing too much rolling friction for a safe takeoff, or possibly jamming grass or mud into the brakes. The outback landing gear might help with turf runways, but I think it is too bulky for the 235 wing, so it is found only on 320/360 airframes, as far as I know. In my opinion, 2000' is too short for a 235 making less than 150 HP and weighing 1300-1400 lbs. Santa Paula airport, where Lance developed the 235 has a 2700' runway, and a river at one end. -bob mackey From:Steve Sender:Subject:Lancair 235 infoDate:Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:27:21 -0500To:lml@lancaironline.net[image: Message Header] [image: Undecoded Message] David, I will post your question on the Lancair Mailing List for input from L235 owners who may have experience with grass strips. My opinion is 2000' is too short even for a paved strip and grass would be too hard on the landing gear. Let's see what the 235 guys have to say. Steve Colwell --001a11395aaa5d612204f112bd5c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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The small Lancairs (23= 5, 320, 360) have small tires and little ground clearance at the prop. With= the original rubber-donut landing gear, the ride was fairly harsh on pavem= ent with expansion joints. With the oleo dampers (debongers), the ride is m= uch better. Also, my landing skills improved markedly at the same time that= I installed the debongers.=A0

I fly a 235 airframe with a high-compression O-320 engi= ne (~170 HP).=A0
On pavement, I like to have 3000' for landin= g, and 2000'+ for takeoff.=A0
A constant speed prop can reduc= e that by adding more drag in landing configuration.
On hardpacked, smooth dirt, the same requirements apply. I have operat= ed from smooth hard dirt many times.=A0
On soft turf, I would be = worried about the 3.5" wide 50psi tires digging in, making ruts, and c= ontributing too much rolling friction for a safe takeoff, or possibly jammi= ng grass or mud into the brakes. The outback landing gear might help with t= urf runways, but I think it is too bulky for the 235 wing, so it is found o= nly on 320/360 airframes, as far as I know.=A0

In my opinion, 2000' is too short for a 235 making = less than 150 HP and weighing 1300-1400 lbs. =A0
Santa Paula airp= ort, where Lance developed the 235 has a 2700' runway, and a river at o= ne end.=A0

-bob mackey




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David,
I will post your question on the Lancair Mailing List= for input from L235 owners who may have experience with grass strips.
My opinion is 2000' is too short even for a paved strip and grass= would be too hard on the landing gear. =A0Let's see what the 235 guys = have to say.
Steve Colwell
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