X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 07:41:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from col0-omc3-s17.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.156] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6650787 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Dec 2013 13:27:30 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.34.156; envelope-from=peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Received: from COL129-W63 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s17.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:26:55 -0800 X-TMN: [TpFY/n7oCgRJAGx8eqmTZKgIrWdPA0jV] X-Originating-Email: [peterpawaviation@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e54d8075-7f47-43e4-9a48-c1a98e9204ce_" From: PETER WILLIAMS X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RESPOND 1992 "HOW TO KILL YOURSELF IN A HOMEBUILT" X-Original-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 13:26:55 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Dec 2013 18:26:55.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F1EC640:01CF000C] --_e54d8075-7f47-43e4-9a48-c1a98e9204ce_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI THERE in this group=2C i know i am preaching to the choir. =20 MY CONCERN=2C is that another 500 hour C-182 thinks that he can jump into a Lancair= and fly away MY HOPE is that the next buyer will take the time to read our archives and ke= ep his/herself safe DOCTOR KILLER SYNDROME=20 A. the old transition was moving from a Piper Cub into a Bonanza=2C 50 = years ago B. the new transition from a Bonanza to a Lancair has the same relative= demand of new skill WAS/IS a Bonanza a dangerous plane? (or the MU2?) =20 ONLY=20 in the hands of someone without the training MAYBE I AM SELFISH I would like the safety for our planes to be recognized the same = as the Certified fleet=3B THEN=2C=20 our insurance costs and insurance availability would be reasonabl= e. THEN=20 When my Lady asked me what is the safety record i could answer goo= d. AND INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE IRRATIONAL=20 I two Lancair right now $1m 100/seat Lancair IV $586 annual cost $1m 100/seat Lancair IVP $3=2C234 annual cost (same pilot=2C same hours=2C same airframe) NUTS AND NO=2C I DO NOT THINK THAT THE LANCAIR AIRCRAFT ARE UNSAFE i think they are wonderful. i love them=2C FINALLY i posted the Falco piece to show that it is not Lancair's that are the p= roblem the problem is proper training. yours peter and=2C anytime you want to fly with me=2C just let me know=2C i will make m= yself available HEY SEA-TAC to TEB across the country 8.5 hours flight time with one stop =20 > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Date: Sun=2C 22 Dec 2013 17:49:50 -0500 > From: snopercod@comporium.net > Subject: [LML] Re: 1992 "HOW TO KILL YOURSELF IN A HOMEBUILT" >=20 > Peter-- >=20 > With all due respect=2C since I know you've been flying Lancairs for a=20 > long time=2C do you think that those of us who haven't flown yet really=20 > want to hear how the Lancair is a dangerous plane and chances are good=20 > that we're going to die on our first flight - or most certainly by the=20 > second one? I understand that your intention in posting that Falco piece= =20 > was to prod people into getting some flight time in a similar aircraft=20 > before launching off=2C but I'm really getting sick of people telling me= =20 > I'm going to die soon. I've built the best plane I knew how and fully=20 > intend to get some stick time in a 360 before I fly mine. What I could=20 > use right now=2C though=2C is a little moral support. From my 6 hours at = the=20 > controls of Clarence Grubbs 69CG=2C the 235 is a sweet flying plane and=20 > not dangerous at all if one respects the differences from a C-172. But=20 > it seems that all I get more experienced pilots is FUD [Fear=2C=20 > Uncertainty=2C and Doubt]. Several months ago I attended an EAA meeting a= t=20 > Asheville=2C NC=2C and it was the same with those guys (mostly spam-can R= V=20 > builders). I went there for some support=2C and all I got was FUD. I=20 > haven't been back since. >=20 > /rant >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml = --_e54d8075-7f47-43e4-9a48-c1a98e9204ce_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI THERE
<= font style=3D"" face=3D"Comic Sans MS">
 =3B =3B =3B =3B in this group=2C i know i a= m preaching to the choir. =3B
MY CONCERN=2C

 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B is that another= 500 hour C-182 thinks that he can jump into a Lancair and fly away<= font style=3D"" face=3D"Comic Sans MS">

MY HOPE
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B is that the n= ext buyer will take the time to read our archives and keep his/herself safe=

D= OCTOR KILLER SYNDROME

 =3BA.  =3B =3B the old transition was moving from a Piper Cub into a Bonanza=2C 50 years = ago
 =3BB.  =3B =3B the new transition from a Bonanza to a Lancair has the same relative d= emand of new skill

WAS/IS a Bonanza a dangerous plane?
 =3B =3B (or the MU2?)
 =3B
ONLY
=  =3B =3B =3B&nbs= p=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B in the hands of someone withou= t the training

MAYBE I AM SELFISH
 =3B =3B = =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B I would like the safety= for our planes to be recognized the same as the Certified fleet=3B<= font style=3D"" face=3D"Comic Sans MS">
 =3B =3B =3B =3B THEN=2C
 =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B = =3B our insurance costs and = insurance availability would be reasonable.

THEN
 = =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B When my Lady as= ked me what is the safety record i could answer good.

AND INSURANCE COMPANIES= ARE IRRATIONAL
<= font style=3D"" face=3D"Comic Sans MS"> =3B =3B =3B =3B&nbs= p=3B I two Lancair right now=
 =3B =3B =3B=  =3B =3B $1m 100/seat =3B Lancair IV =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B $586 annual cost =3B =3B = =3B =3B =3B $1m 100/seat =3B Lancair IVP  =3B =3B = =3B =3B $3=2C234 annual cost
(same pilot=2C same = hours=2C same airframe)
<= /font> =3B =3B =3B = =3B =3B NUTS
<= font style=3D"" face=3D"Comic Sans MS">

AND NO=2C= I DO NOT THINK THAT THE LANCAIR AIRCRAFT ARE UNSAFE
=  =3B =3B i think they are wonderful. i love them=2C

FINALLY
 =3B =3B i posted the Falco piece to show that it is n= ot Lancair's that are the problem
 =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B =3B =3B =3B the problem is proper training.

yours

peter

and= =2C anytime you want to fly with me=2C just let me know=2C i will make myse= lf available

HEY
 =3BSEA-TAC to TEB across the coun= try =3B =3B 8.5 hours flight time with one stop

 =3B=  =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B



>=3B To: lm= l@lancaironline.net
>=3B Date: Sun=2C 22 Dec 2013 17:49:50 -0500
&g= t=3B From: snopercod@comporium.net
>=3B Subject: [LML] Re: 1992 "HOW T= O KILL YOURSELF IN A HOMEBUILT"
>=3B
>=3B Peter--
>=3B
= >=3B With all due respect=2C since I know you've been flying Lancairs for= a
>=3B long time=2C do you think that those of us who haven't flown = yet really
>=3B want to hear how the Lancair is a dangerous plane and= chances are good
>=3B that we're going to die on our first flight - = or most certainly by the
>=3B second one? I understand that your inte= ntion in posting that Falco piece
>=3B was to prod people into gettin= g some flight time in a similar aircraft
>=3B before launching off=2C= but I'm really getting sick of people telling me
>=3B I'm going to d= ie soon. I've built the best plane I knew how and fully
>=3B intend t= o get some stick time in a 360 before I fly mine. What I could
>=3B u= se right now=2C though=2C is a little moral support. From my 6 hours at the=
>=3B controls of Clarence Grubbs 69CG=2C the 235 is a sweet flying p= lane and
>=3B not dangerous at all if one respects the differences fr= om a C-172. But
>=3B it seems that all I get more experienced pilots = is FUD [Fear=2C
>=3B Uncertainty=2C and Doubt]. Several months ago I = attended an EAA meeting at
>=3B Asheville=2C NC=2C and it was the sam= e with those guys (mostly spam-can RV
>=3B builders). I went there fo= r some support=2C and all I got was FUD. I
>=3B haven't been back sin= ce.
>=3B
>=3B /rant
>=3B
>=3B
>=3B --
>=3B= For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l
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