X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:43:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from col0-omc3-s6.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.144] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6649033 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:39:40 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.34.144; envelope-from=peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Received: from COL129-W6 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s6.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:39:06 -0800 X-TMN: [/DHc3mlMnWtqCPYOxsVafYHj19uyPM3R] X-Originating-Email: [peterpawaviation@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_698d98db-c174-4c50-8020-d9013a23302a_" From: PETER WILLIAMS X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Operation Mission Creep X-Original-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 22:39:05 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2013 03:39:06.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D944C30:01CEFEC7] --_698d98db-c174-4c50-8020-d9013a23302a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAY:=20 "I'm from the government and am here to help you" and if you like that one=2C try the Easter Bunny on for size. peter To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat=2C 21 Dec 2013 17:01:25 -0500 From: farnsworth@charter.net Subject: [LML] Re: Operation Mission Creep Ted=2C I know. But a couple of years ago I had an encounter with that bunch= . I flew back=2C at night=2C from visiting one of my sons. I didn=92t file = a flight plan. I landed at my home=2C uncontrolled airport and taxied to my= hanger. As I was unstrapping from the plane=2C I saw some people=2C shini= ng bright flash lights at me=2C approaching from the left. Beyond the glare= of the approaching lights I could see a Cessna Citation on the taxiway. Wh= en I saw the automatic weapon that was being brandished about by one of the= several people approaching I had a pretty good idea of who I was dealing w= ith. The first request was for me to provide pilot license and medical for = a =93ramp check=94. While the head guy was checking those items I asked him= =2C =93you been following me=94? He said yes. I asked how long=2C and he sa= id they launched out of New Orleans. He made a comment about how fast I was= going. He said my profile matched that of someone who was doing something = illegal. Now=2C they asked if they could search my plane. I asked if they = had a search warrant. Since they didn=92t have a search warrant I refused. = The one with the automatic weapon wanted to know what was in the blanket th= at was in the airplane. I thought about not responding since they didn=92t = have a warrant and let his already active imagination run away with itself.= The only thing in the blanket was the tow bar=3B I had it wrapped so it wo= uldn=92t rattle. After a minute=2C since I needed the tow bar to move the p= lane=2C I told him what it was. I also told him the only reason I was telli= ng him is because was I had already planned to get the tow bar out anyway.= With my pilot license in hand=2C I noticed the head guy having a convers= ation over his hand held radio. Probably checking if there was a warrant ou= t for my arrest. I continued to do my post flight stuff while they milled a= round and a couple of local cop cars showed up. Though the one with the mac= hine gun keep close tabs on me. By the time I got the plane back in the han= ger the head guy came and handed me his business card and mumbled something= about a wild goose chase. So Ted=2C been there=2C done that! Lynn From: L= ancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ted Noel Sent: Saturday=2C December 21=2C 2013 9:57 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Operation Mission Creep Official Warning: Statements of this sort indicate that you may be enemies of Homeland Securi= ty. It is highly recommended that you cease such activity and resume proper= ly compliant behavior. Failure to do so may result in severe penalties. Rem= ember that we can read your electronic communications. Signed: -Redacted- National Security Agency On 12/20/2013 8:27 PM=2C Lynn Farnsworth wrote:Just my opinion=2C but=2C th= at is just one of the ways they use to cast doubt on the person or persons = they want to make look bad or justify their (=93law enforcement=94) actions= . Much like the media saying the accident aircraft did file a flight plan. = The current group of people in law enforcement are not the friends of the = American public. Lynn From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.= net] On Behalf Of John Barrett Sent: Friday=2C December 20=2C 2013 4:38 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Fwd: Operation Mission Creep Ok I'll chime in. Why is i= t an abnormal flight to fly low and land in out of the way airports avoidin= g urban areas in a 172? I'm always looking for out of the way airports wit= h inexpensive fuel even in my Lancair IVP - although I try not to fly too l= ow very often. John BarrettN31VP = --_698d98db-c174-4c50-8020-d9013a23302a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAY:

 =3B"I'm from the government and = am here to help you"
 =3B =3B =3B and if you like that one=2C try the Easter Bun= ny on for size.
<= br>peter
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Sa= t=2C 21 Dec 2013 17:01:25 -0500
From: farnsworth@charter.net
Subject:= [LML] Re: Operation Mission Creep

Ted=2C

 =3B

I know= . But a couple of years ago I had an encounter with that bunch. I flew back= =2C at night=2C from visiting one of my sons. I didn=92t file a flight plan= . I landed at my home=2C uncontrolled airport and taxied to my hanger. As I= was unstrapping from the plane=2C  =3BI saw some people=2C shining bri= ght flash lights at me=2C approaching from the left. Beyond the glare of th= e approaching lights I could see a Cessna Citation on the taxiway. When I s= aw the automatic weapon that was being brandished about by one of the sever= al people approaching I had a pretty good idea of who I was dealing with.

 =3B

The first request was for me to provide pilot license a= nd medical for a =93ramp check=94. While the head guy was checking those it= ems I asked him=2C =93you been following me=94? He said yes. I asked how lo= ng=2C and he said they launched out of New Orleans. He made a comment about= how fast I was going. He said my profile matched that of someone who was d= oing something illegal.

 =3B

Now=2C they asked if they cou= ld search my plane. I asked if they had a search warrant. Since they didn= =92t have a search warrant I refused. The one with the automatic weapon wan= ted to know what was in the blanket that was in the airplane. I thought abo= ut not responding since they didn=92t have a warrant and let his already ac= tive imagination run away with itself. The only thing in the blanket was th= e tow bar=3B I had it wrapped so it wouldn=92t rattle. After a minute=2C si= nce I needed the tow bar to move the plane=2C I told him what it was. I als= o told him the only reason I was telling him is because  =3Bwas I had a= lready planned to get the tow bar out anyway.  =3B

 =3B

With my pilot license in hand=2C I noticed the head guy having a conve= rsation over his hand held radio. Probably checking if there was a warrant = out for my arrest.

 =3B

I continued to do my post flight = stuff while they milled around and a couple of local cop cars showed up. Th= ough the one with the machine gun keep close tabs on me. By the time I got = the plane back in the hanger the head guy came and handed me his business c= ard and mumbled something about a wild goose chase.

 =3B<= /p>

S= o Ted=2C been there=2C done that!

 =3B

Lynn

 = =3B

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net= ] On Behalf Of Ted Noel
Sent: Saturday=2C December 21=2C 2= 013 9:57 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Op= eration Mission Creep

 = =3B

Official Warning:

Statem= ents of this sort indicate that you may be enemies of Homeland Security. It= is highly recommended that you cease such activity and resume properly com= pliant behavior. Failure to do so may result in severe penalties. Remember = that we can read your electronic communications.

Signed:
-Redacte= d-
National Security Agency

On= 12/20/2013 8:27 PM=2C Lynn Farnsworth wrote:

Just my opinion=2C b= ut=2C that is just one of the ways they use to cast doubt on the person or = persons they want to make look bad or justify their (=93law enforcement=94)= actions.

&nb= sp=3B

Much = like the media saying the accident aircraft did file a flight plan. =

 =3B

=

The current group of pe= ople in law enforcement are not the friends of the American public.<= /p>

 =3B

<= p class=3D"ecxMsoNormal">Lynn

 =3B

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John Barrett
Sent: Friday=2C December 20=2C 2013 4:38 PM
= To: lml@lancaironline.net<= br>Subject: [LML] Re: Fwd: Operation Mission Creep

<= /div>

 =3B

O= k I'll chime in.  =3BWhy is it an abnormal flight to fly low and land i= n out of the way airports avoiding urban areas in a 172?  =3BI'm always= looking for out of the way airports with inexpensive fuel even in my Lanca= ir IVP - although I try not to fly too low very often.

 =3B

=

John Barrett

N31VP

 = =3B

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