X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:01:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6648564 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:23:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.81; envelope-from=farnsworth@charter.net Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131221162257.XUPM10448.mta21.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:22:57 -0500 Received: from OWNERPC ([24.240.22.2]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id 4GNw1n00P02iJEo05GNw6p; Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:22:57 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=brYUnzmi c=1 sm=1 a=mHRM3OX74vzkVKuopJY6mQ==:17 a=y_AbQF-IzqcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=MJpgumXjSxoA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=xTeR_dfWSBflbUQIfsgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=PlUy0ZwTwOMA:10 a=kmt0N17xoVCMiFnl:21 a=l_bpMXwXs4ew-0NT:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=gKO2Hq4RSVkA:10 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=lPLNSnejEJcA:10 a=mHRM3OX74vzkVKuopJY6mQ==:117 From: "Lynn Farnsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Operation Mission Creep X-Original-Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:22:41 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <007801cefe68$df9bd9f0$9ed38dd0$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01CEFE3E.F6CAB3F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQJK3XwxwotLbRCs3tehmPOYd4eHEJlnCfzQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01CEFE3E.F6CAB3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted, =20 I know. But a couple of years ago I had an encounter with that bunch. I = flew back, at night, from visiting one of my sons. I didn=E2=80=99t file = a flight plan. I landed at my home, uncontrolled airport and taxied to = my hanger. As I was unstrapping from the plane, I saw some people, = shining bright flash lights at me, approaching from the left. Beyond the = glare of the approaching lights I could see a Cessna Citation on the = taxiway. When I saw the automatic weapon that was being brandished about = by one of the several people approaching I had a pretty good idea of who = I was dealing with. =20 The first request was for me to provide pilot license and medical for a = =E2=80=9Cramp check=E2=80=9D. While the head guy was checking those = items I asked him, =E2=80=9Cyou been following me=E2=80=9D? He said yes. = I asked how long, and he said they launched out of New Orleans. He made = a comment about how fast I was going. He said my profile matched that of = someone who was doing something illegal.=20 =20 Now, they asked if they could search my plane. I asked if they had a = search warrant. Since they didn=E2=80=99t have a search warrant I = refused. The one with the automatic weapon wanted to know what was in = the blanket that was in the airplane. I thought about not responding = since they didn=E2=80=99t have a warrant and let his already active = imagination run away with itself. The only thing in the blanket was the = tow bar; I had it wrapped so it wouldn=E2=80=99t rattle. After a minute, = since I needed the tow bar to move the plane, I told him what it was. I = also told him the only reason I was telling him is because was I had = already planned to get the tow bar out anyway. =20 =20 With my pilot license in hand, I noticed the head guy having a = conversation over his hand held radio. Probably checking if there was a = warrant out for my arrest. =20 I continued to do my post flight stuff while they milled around and a = couple of local cop cars showed up. Though the one with the machine gun = keep close tabs on me. By the time I got the plane back in the hanger = the head guy came and handed me his business card and mumbled something = about a wild goose chase.=20 =20 So Ted, been there, done that! =20 Lynn =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Ted Noel Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 9:57 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Operation Mission Creep =20 Official Warning: Statements of this sort indicate that you may be enemies of Homeland = Security. It is highly recommended that you cease such activity and = resume properly compliant behavior. Failure to do so may result in = severe penalties. Remember that we can read your electronic = communications. Signed: -Redacted- National Security Agency On 12/20/2013 8:27 PM, Lynn Farnsworth wrote: Just my opinion, but, that is just one of the ways they use to cast = doubt on the person or persons they want to make look bad or justify = their (=E2=80=9Claw enforcement=E2=80=9D) actions. =20 Much like the media saying the accident aircraft did file a flight plan. = =20 The current group of people in law enforcement are not the friends of = the American public. =20 Lynn =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = John Barrett Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 4:38 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Fwd: Operation Mission Creep =20 Ok I'll chime in. Why is it an abnormal flight to fly low and land in = out of the way airports avoiding urban areas in a 172? I'm always = looking for out of the way airports with inexpensive fuel even in my = Lancair IVP - although I try not to fly too low very often. =20 John Barrett N31VP =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01CEFE3E.F6CAB3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ted,

 

I know. But a couple of years ago I had an encounter with that = bunch. I flew back, at night, from visiting one of my sons. I = didn=E2=80=99t file a flight plan. I landed at my home, uncontrolled = airport and taxied to my hanger. As I was unstrapping from the plane, = =C2=A0I saw some people, shining bright flash lights at me, approaching = from the left. Beyond the glare of the approaching lights I could see a = Cessna Citation on the taxiway. When I saw the automatic weapon that was = being brandished about by one of the several people approaching I had a = pretty good idea of who I was dealing with.

 

The first request was for me to provide pilot license and medical = for a =E2=80=9Cramp check=E2=80=9D. While the head guy was checking = those items I asked him, =E2=80=9Cyou been following me=E2=80=9D? He = said yes. I asked how long, and he said they launched out of New = Orleans. He made a comment about how fast I was going. He said my = profile matched that of someone who was doing something illegal. =

 

Now, they asked if they could search my plane. I asked if they had a = search warrant. Since they didn=E2=80=99t have a search warrant I = refused. The one with the automatic weapon wanted to know what was in = the blanket that was in the airplane. I thought about not responding = since they didn=E2=80=99t have a warrant and let his already active = imagination run away with itself. The only thing in the blanket was the = tow bar; I had it wrapped so it wouldn=E2=80=99t rattle. After a minute, = since I needed the tow bar to move the plane, I told him what it was. I = also told him the only reason I was telling him is because =C2=A0was I = had already planned to get the tow bar out anyway. = =C2=A0

 

With my pilot license in hand, I noticed the head guy having a = conversation over his hand held radio. Probably checking if there was a = warrant out for my arrest.

 

I continued to do my post flight stuff while they milled around and = a couple of local cop cars showed up. Though the one with the machine = gun keep close tabs on me. By the time I got the plane back in the = hanger the head guy came and handed me his business card and mumbled = something about a wild goose chase.

 

So Ted, been there, done that!

 

Lynn

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf = Of Ted Noel
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 9:57 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] = Operation Mission Creep

 

Official Warning:

Statements of = this sort indicate that you may be enemies of Homeland Security. It is = highly recommended that you cease such activity and resume properly = compliant behavior. Failure to do so may result in severe penalties. = Remember that we can read your electronic = communications.

Signed:
-Redacted-
National Security = Agency

On 12/20/2013 = 8:27 PM, Lynn Farnsworth wrote:

Just my = opinion, but, that is just one of the ways they use to cast doubt on the = person or persons they want to make look bad or justify their = (=E2=80=9Claw enforcement=E2=80=9D) actions.

 =

Much like = the media saying the accident aircraft did file a flight plan. =

 =

The current = group of people in law enforcement are not the friends of the American = public.

 =

Lynn

 =

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of John Barrett
Sent: Friday, December 20, = 2013 4:38 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sub= ject: [LML] Re: Fwd: Operation Mission = Creep

 

Ok I'll = chime in.  Why is it an abnormal flight to fly low and land in out = of the way airports avoiding urban areas in a 172?  I'm always = looking for out of the way airports with inexpensive fuel even in my = Lancair IVP - although I try not to fly too low very often.

 

John Barrett

N31VP

 

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