X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:38:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from shorelineenergy.net ([68.228.9.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6647066 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 10:50:38 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.228.9.207; envelope-from=dana.westphal@shorelineenergy.net X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CEFD9B.2364A4D1" x-vipre-scanned: 1B3121FF005FE81B31234C Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Transition to a Legacy X-Original-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:49:59 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <7854921C1CF4A447978C6F704B21641A02F144F6@SERVER100.shorelineenergy.local> Thread-Topic: Transition to a Legacy thread-index: Ac79myMoV7oHICDFSUGaZQHHdGUy9w== References: From: "Dana Westphal" X-Original-To: "Charles Brown" , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CEFD9B.2364A4D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was going to say just about the same thing as Charley wrote - thanks Charley! I was a Cessna 152 and 172 pilot when I first started building my Legacy. When the Legacy was about a year from completion, I bought= a Piper Arrow III and gained invaluable experience with a complex aircraft (constant speed prop and retractable gear). Looking back, I think that experience was critical for my transition into the Legacy, especially since I was a low time pilot (<200 hrs). In my opinion, "complex operation" needs to be "second nature" when you first take the stick of a Legacy. It is difficult enough to get used to the higher speeds - I struggled a bit early on just trying to slow her down in time for landing, speed brakes and all! =20 =20 I think the transition from slow "spam can" to "fast glass" can be done safely if you respect what you're getting into and take the proper incremental steps in experience and training. A potential Legacy pilot needs to not be uncomfortable in going fast. I've always been a "speed junkie" (motorcycle racing and sports cars), so I knew that part wouldn't scare me (albeit still a bit intimidating). I have pilot friends that can't believe that the approach and landing speeds of the Legacy are faster than their aircraft at full-throttle level cruise and some have admitted that it wouldn't be the plane for them. You just need to think so much further ahead, but to paraphrase what my HPAT instructor told me "it will doing anything you want it to do, you just have to be assertive in telling her". Like Lynn said in a prior post, the Legacy flies wonderfully and handles like I dreamed an airplane should - you just need to point her where you want her to go. It goes without saying that that high performance training is essential. The emergency and engine out training was especially eye-opening. I recall my HAPT instructor showing and telling me "if you lose an engine, she's coming down like a greased Buick"! =20 My favorite safety edict is never go too slow in a Legacy, especially= in the pattern. I've attended fly-ins to 3000' airstrips with a multitude of Piper Cubs and C152s in the pattern and have had to "go around" as many as 3 times before finding a safe window for approach and landing. I will not get stuck behind a slow aircraft and have to throttle back= to minimal airspeeds. =20 I hope that you find this and the other posts beneficial... =20 Safe and happy flying,=20 =20 Dana =20 Legacy N97DW =20 From: Charles Brown [mailto:browncc1@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:40 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: Transition to a Legacy =20 Angier, =20 Having owned both Cheetah and Legacy... =20 =20 I'm sure the BEST answer is to get transition training from LOBO instructor. But that's something I would recommend to someone transitioning from a Bonanza to a Legacy, a much shorter step. A Cheetah is fixed prop, fixed gear, flies at 120kias, has a wing loading low enough to be always on the front side of the power curve... about the only thing it shares with a Legacy is steering by differential braking with a castoring nosewheel. Things happen so much faster in a Legacy... =20 I would recommend complex training in the cheapest thing he can find -- a rental Arrow or 182RG -- so he can get used to constant speed power setting and retractable gear... and then getting dual time in a Legacy with LOBO or other Legacy-qualified instructor... that will get him used to the pace, the energy management, and stall characteristics. =20 Charley =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." Date: December 17, 2013 9:51:40 PM CST To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: Transition to a Legacy A local pilot/owner of a Grumman Cheetah is considering the purchase of a Legacy. I have no knowledge of his experience or qualifications so I'm wondering what this group would consider a responsible transition from one into the other? I'll pass along your suggestions to him. Angier Ames N4ZQ =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CEFD9B.2364A4D1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I was going to say just about the same thing as Charley wrote –= thanks Charley!  I was a Cessna 152 and 172 pilot when I first sta= rted building my Legacy.  When the Legacy was about a year from com= pletion, I bought a Piper Arrow III and gained invaluable experience wit= h a complex aircraft (constant speed prop and retractable gear). = Looking back, I think that experience was critical for my transition= into the Legacy, especially since I was a low time pilot (<200 hrs).=   In my opinion, ”complex operation” needs to be “= ;second nature” when you first take the stick of a Legacy. = It is difficult enough to get used to the higher speeds – I strug= gled a bit early on just trying to slow her down in time for landing,= speed brakes and all!  

=  

I= think the transition from slow “spam can” to “fast= glass” can be done safely if you respect what you’re gettin= g into and take the proper incremental steps in experience and training.=   A potential Legacy pilot needs to not be uncomfortable in goin= g fast.  I’ve always been a “speed junkie”= (motorcycle racing and sports cars), so I knew that part wouldn’t= scare me (albeit still a bit intimidating).  I have pilot friends= that can’t believe that the approach and landing speeds of the= Legacy are faster than their aircraft at full-throttle level cruise and= some have admitted that it wouldn’t be the plane for them. = You just need to think so much further ahead, but to paraphrase what= my HPAT instructor told me “it will doing anything you want it= to do, you just have to be assertive in telling her”.   = ;Like Lynn said in a prior post, the Legacy flies wonderfully and handle= s like I dreamed an airplane should – you just need to point her= where you want her to go.  It goes without saying that that high= performance training is essential.  The emergency and engine out= training was especially eye-opening.  I recall my HAPT instructor= showing and telling me “if you lose an engine, she’s coming= down like a greased Buick”!

 

My favorite safety edict is never go too slow in a Legacy, especial= ly in the pattern.  I’ve attended fly-ins to 3000’ airs= trips with a multitude of Piper Cubs and C152s in the pattern and have= had to “go around” as many as 3 times before finding a safe= window for approach and landing.  I will not get stuck behi= nd a slow aircraft and have to throttle back to minimal airspeeds.<= /o:p>

 <= /p>

I hope that you find this and the othe= r posts beneficial…

 

Safe= and happy flying,

=  

Dana<= /p>

 

Legacy N97DW

 

From: Charles Brown [mailto:browncc1@verizon.net]=
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:40 AM
To: lml@= lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: Transition to a Legacy

 

Angier,

=  

Having owned both Cheeta= h and Legacy...  

 

I'm sure the BEST answ= er is to get transition training from  LOBO instructor.  But= that's something I would recommend to someone transitioning from a Bona= nza to a Legacy, a much shorter step.  A Cheetah is fixed prop, fix= ed gear, flies at 120kias, has a wing loading low enough to be always= on the front side of the power curve...  about the only thing it= shares with a Legacy is steering by differential braking with a castori= ng nosewheel.  Things happen so much faster in a Legacy...

 

I would recommend complex training in the cheapest= thing he can find -- a rental Arrow or 182RG -- so he can get used to= constant speed power setting and retractable gear...  and then get= ting dual time in a Legacy with LOBO or other Legacy-qualified instructo= r...  that will get him used to the pace, the energy management,= and stall characteristics.

 

Charley

 

 

<= o:p> 

 

 

From: "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <N4ZQ@VERIZON.NET><= /p>

Date: December 17, 2013 9:5= 1:40 PM CST

To:= Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>

Subject: Re: Transition to a Legacy



A= local pilot/owner of a Grumman Cheetah is considering the purchase of= a Legacy.
I have no knowledge of his experience or qualifications= so I'm wondering what this group
would consider a responsible transi= tion from one into the other?
I'll pass along your suggestions to him= .

Angier Ames
N4ZQ


 

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