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[70.61.86.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm112094842yhg.8.2013.11.30.08.32.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:32:58 -0800 (PST) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-E061E174-A127-498B-9442-ED91E4C401EE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Cc: Lancair Mailing List X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: Matt Hapgood Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity X-Original-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:32:56 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-E061E174-A127-498B-9442-ED91E4C401EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like the idea in general and would like to learn more. In the particular i= nstance listed below - it is not about money (not in any practical sense). T= he university almost never sells land. And this is an issue that is really b= eing decided at the state political level. In this case I only wish it were= as simple as someone trying to make money. That would be a lot easier to f= igure out. =20 Matt On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case wrote: > Is there such a thing as an airport land trust? "Airport Conservancy" o= r something like that? > The idea would be that the trust buys the development rights to the airpor= t land, taking it off the real estate hit list. > Might be more interesting than giving PAC money to EAA and AOPA. >=20 > On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:11 AM, John Barrett wrote: >=20 > I did get a sense of the politics of the airport. I did not share that th= e managers would like to re pave and do other upkeep but their bosses will h= ave none of it because those folks want it to go away. Very similar to lots= of airports where cities grow up around them but this one is particularly b= eautiful. Will hate to see it go. >=20 > John >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 >=20 > On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Matt Hapgood wrote: >=20 >> If I could be anonymous with this post I would=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> The Chapel Hill airport is an endangered facility. Your historical overv= iew is very accurate, but between the lines it is both a university issue (t= hey want to use the land for other purposes), a political (state) issue =E2=80= =93 they aren=E2=80=99t allocating any money to developing a new law school o= r research facilities, etc., as well as a local political and community issu= e. Like a lot of airports the community neither understands it nor wants it= . They are =E2=80=9Cterrified=E2=80=9D of the airport because it is so dang= erous =E2=80=93 you know =E2=80=93 the national media histeria every time a p= lane crashes. It=E2=80=99s irrelevant that more pedestrians have been kille= d in Chapel Hill in the past 5 years than in the entire 70 year history of t= he airport=E2=80=A6 Not to mention that is the airport goes away so will a T= ON of it=E2=80=99s huge greenspace =E2=80=93 all developed and will create t= raffic issues in this small town with only small roads leading to that area.= >>=20 >> Another topic is that you found the manager to be really polite=E2=80=A6 I= wholeheartedly agree. About a year ago the previous long-term manager reti= red and it=E2=80=99s a whole new attitude out there. The new manager and hi= s staff couldn=E2=80=99t be any nicer. =20 >>=20 >> I hope the airport will stay open for a long time. >>=20 >> Matt >>=20 >> From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> >> Reply-To: Lancair List >> Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM >> To: Lancair List >> Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity >>=20 >> George, >>=20 >> I flew into Chapel Hill and spent a couple nights there after LOBO. The a= irport is very nice tucked into a treed area but with nice surface. Tie dow= ns are on concrete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the place was very q= uiet. Saw one other aircraft activity when at the airport two or three time= s during our stay. The manager of the airport is about as congenial as anyo= ne could be. Gas price is reasonable and he will pump for you while he tell= s you the interesting history of the airport. =20 >>=20 >> It seems that Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose wi= th stipulation that it never be used for anything else, but the law school a= nd maybe others have been salivating over the valuable property for decades s= ince Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the sky. About ten or fifte= en years ago, the philosophy department (Horace's) made an agreement with th= e law department to close the airport (presumably Horace was not consulted) t= o turn it into a new law school campus but the airport still operates and is= a great facility. They charge $10 per night for tie down. >>=20 >> I recommend it. >>=20 >> John >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >>=20 >>> Hey Matt, >>>=20 >>> Just curious about Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there regularly= as her best friend lives in Carborro and we were up there not all that long= ago helping my father in law move out of his house. And, my wife went to UN= C medical school. >>>=20 >>> I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far from Austin) as we have the famil= y farm out there and ultimately plan to retire there. >>>=20 >>> My father in law moved to Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well as t= he Rooney=E2=80=99s whom we bought our plane from. >>>=20 >>> Sounds like we have some similar destinations. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I hate to even begin to brag about long lancair flights when I know the= King and Queen are out there (bill and sue). My wife and I regularly fly f= rom Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX and c= ) Aspen, CO in our little 360 that is not purpose built for distance. FL is= always non-stop. Austin and back is often non-stop. Our record was Aspen t= o Chapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a good tail wind. It was a 6= :10 flight and we landed with an hour reserve. =20 >>>>=20 >>>> This bird is an economical time machine. Many times I have wished for b= etter weather detection, FIKI, and more redundancy (like last weekend coming= home from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot beat the economy. =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Love my plane. Wife loves her travel flexibility.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Matt >>>>=20 >>>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love wrote= : >>>>=20 >>>>> In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3= gallons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind >>>>> Pink Legacy >>>>> Ralph Love >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales wrot= e: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> What would you consider to be "super long range"? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus re= serve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of peop= le but no luggage. =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 g= al remaining. Made for a long day.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" w= rote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? >>>>>>> I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane fli= es with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you t= o gross the tanks are too small. =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow,= wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super long ran= ge machine." >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone know= s for sure. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Colyn >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Greetings: I=E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and jus= t learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around 9= 0 gallons. Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I can add a bay without d= ifficulty. I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some document= ation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how others have acc= omplished the modification. My the way, this is my first post, but surely n= ot the last. >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>> James M. Anderson, III >>>>>>> Anderson & Ealick, P.C. >>>>>>> Suite 130 >>>>>>> 5855 Sandy Springs Circle >>>>>>> Sandy Springs, GA 30328 >>>>>>> 404-255-0319 >>>>>>> jma@jmalawfirm.com >=20 --Apple-Mail-E061E174-A127-498B-9442-ED91E4C401EE Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like the idea in general and would l= ike to learn more.  In the particular instance listed below - it is not= about money (not in any practical sense).  The university almost never= sells land.  And this is an issue that is really being decided at the s= tate political level.  In this case I only wish it were as simple as so= meone trying to make money.  That would be a lot easier to figure out. &= nbsp; 

Matt

On Nov 30, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Cas= e <colyncase@earthlink.net= > wrote:

Is there such a thin= g as an airport land trust?   "Airport Conservancy"   or something= like that?
The idea would be that the trust buys the development rights= to the airport land, taking it off the real estate hit list.
Might b= e more interesting than giving PAC money to EAA and AOPA.

On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:11 AM, John Barrett wrote:

I did get a sense of the politic= s of the airport.  I did not share that the managers would like to re p= ave and do other upkeep but their bosses will have none of it because those f= olks want it to go away.  Very similar to lots of airports where cities= grow up around them but this one is particularly beautiful.  Will hate= to see it go.

John

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Matt Hapgood <mehapgood@gmail.com> wrote:

If I could be anonymous wi= th this post I would=E2=80=A6

The Chapel Hill airpo= rt is an endangered facility.  Your historical overview is very accurat= e, but between the lines it is both a university issue (they want to use the= land for other purposes), a political (state) issue =E2=80=93 they aren=E2=80= =99t allocating any money to developing a new law school or research facilit= ies, etc., as well as a local political and community issue.  Like a lo= t of airports the community neither understands it nor wants it.  They a= re =E2=80=9Cterrified=E2=80=9D of the airport because it is so dangerous =E2= =80=93 you know =E2=80=93 the national media histeria every time a plane cra= shes.  It=E2=80=99s irrelevant that more pedestrians have been killed i= n Chapel Hill in the past  5 years than in the entire 70 year history o= f the airport=E2=80=A6  Not to mention that is the airport goes away so= will a TON of it=E2=80=99s huge greenspace =E2=80=93 all developed and will= create traffic issues in this small town with only small roads leading to t= hat area.

Another topic is that you found the manag= er to be really polite=E2=80=A6 I wholeheartedly agree.  About a year a= go the previous long-term manager retired and it=E2=80=99s a whole new attit= ude out there.  The new manager and his staff couldn=E2=80=99t be any n= icer.  

I hope the airport will stay open for a= long time.

Matt

From: John Barrett <2= thman1@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Lancair List <lml@lancaironli= ne.net>
Date: Monday, Nov= ember 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM
To: La= ncair List <lml@lancaironline.ne= t>
Subject: [LML] Re: LNC= E - Extended range fuel capacity

George,

I flew into Chapel Hill and spent a c= ouple nights there after LOBO.  The airport is very nice tucked into a t= reed area but with nice surface.  Tie downs are on concrete or asphalt p= ads and when I was there, the place was very quiet.  Saw one other airc= raft activity when at the airport two or three times during our stay.  = The manager of the airport is about as congenial as anyone could be.  G= as price is reasonable and he will pump for you while he tells you the inter= esting history of the airport.  

It seems that= Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose with stipulation t= hat it never be used for anything else, but the law school and maybe others h= ave been salivating over the valuable property for decades since Horace went= to the great pilot's lounge in the sky.  About ten or fifteen years ag= o, the philosophy department (Horace's) made an agreement with the law depar= tment to close the airport (presumably Horace was not consulted) to turn it i= nto a new law school campus but the airport still operates and is a great fa= cility.  They charge $10 per night for tie down.

I recommend it.

John

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM= , George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> wrote:=

Hey Matt,

Just curious about Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there regularly as= her best friend lives in Carborro and we were up there not all that long ag= o helping my father in law move out of his house. And, my wife went to UNC m= edical school.

I am also from Brenham, Texas (not f= ar from Austin) as we have the family farm out there and ultimately plan to r= etire there.

My father in law moved to Sarasota FL a= nd plan to visit him as well as the Rooney=E2=80=99s whom we bought our plan= e from.

Sounds like we have some similar destinatio= ns.



On Nov 18, 2013, a= t 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood <mehapgood= @gmail.com> wrote:

I hate to even begin to brag about l= ong lancair flights when I know the King and Queen are out there (bill and s= ue).  My wife and I regularly fly from Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Flor= ida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX and c) Aspen, CO in our little 360 that i= s not purpose built for distance.  FL is always non-stop.  Austin a= nd back is often non-stop.  Our record was Aspen to Chapel Hill non-sto= p and we didn't even have a good tail wind.   It was a 6:10 flight and w= e landed with an hour reserve.  

This bird is a= n economical time machine.  Many times I have wished for better weather= detection, FIKI, and more redundancy (like last weekend coming home from Mo= honk, NY) but I just cannot beat the economy.  

Love my plane.  Wife loves her travel flexibility. 
Matt

On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love <ralphlove@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gal= lons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 gallons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwi= nd
Pink Legacy
Ralph Love

On Nov 14, 2013,= at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales <josca= les98@hotmail.com> wrote:

Wh= at would you consider to be "super long range"?

I c= arry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus reserve and p= ut me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# of people but no l= uggage.  

Would be interested to hear what oth= er ES's are doing. 

Longest logged flight has b= een 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal remaining.  Made for a lon= g day. 



On Nov 14, 2013, at= 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <colyn= case@earthlink.net> wrote:

Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small?I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane flies with= full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't bring you to gros= s the tanks are too small.  

The first time I saw an= ES and how big the wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill th= ose wings with fuel and make a super long range machine."

I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows= for sure.

Colyn

On Nov 14,= 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote:

Greetings:  I=E2=80=99m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11)= , and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to= around 90 gallons.  Luckily I=E2=80=99m at the stage where I can add a= bay without difficulty.  I=E2=80=99ve checked with Lancair, and am awa= iting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see h= ow others have accomplished the modification.  My the way, this is my f= irst post, but surely not the last.
 
James M. Anders= on, III
Anderson & Ealick, P.C.
= Suite 130
5855 Sandy Springs Circle
= Sandy Springs,  GA  30328
404-255-0319
=
&= nbsp;


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