X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6619977 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:47:12 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.62; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sdNeggkPtdLvmwdJeaXsJuvseHaovm7vgDPJHzc9rpfRXr4Z+IyvrW2UDQpoKdVc; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [72.92.128.101] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1VmksW-0003oA-TP for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:46:37 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-46--509896668 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:46:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Message-Id: <1A365DD5-F035-40BC-92AE-8182934FEC4C@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940f55a42f7a7e3b2a6c04f2f43be9dfb13350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 72.92.128.101 --Apple-Mail-46--509896668 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Is there such a thing as an airport land trust? "Airport Conservancy" = or something like that? The idea would be that the trust buys the development rights to the = airport land, taking it off the real estate hit list. Might be more interesting than giving PAC money to EAA and AOPA. On Nov 19, 2013, at 8:11 AM, John Barrett wrote: I did get a sense of the politics of the airport. I did not share that = the managers would like to re pave and do other upkeep but their bosses = will have none of it because those folks want it to go away. Very = similar to lots of airports where cities grow up around them but this = one is particularly beautiful. Will hate to see it go. John Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Matt Hapgood wrote: > If I could be anonymous with this post I would=85 >=20 > The Chapel Hill airport is an endangered facility. Your historical = overview is very accurate, but between the lines it is both a university = issue (they want to use the land for other purposes), a political = (state) issue =96 they aren=92t allocating any money to developing a new = law school or research facilities, etc., as well as a local political = and community issue. Like a lot of airports the community neither = understands it nor wants it. They are =93terrified=94 of the airport = because it is so dangerous =96 you know =96 the national media histeria = every time a plane crashes. It=92s irrelevant that more pedestrians = have been killed in Chapel Hill in the past 5 years than in the entire = 70 year history of the airport=85 Not to mention that is the airport = goes away so will a TON of it=92s huge greenspace =96 all developed and = will create traffic issues in this small town with only small roads = leading to that area. >=20 > Another topic is that you found the manager to be really polite=85 I = wholeheartedly agree. About a year ago the previous long-term manager = retired and it=92s a whole new attitude out there. The new manager and = his staff couldn=92t be any nicer. =20 >=20 > I hope the airport will stay open for a long time. >=20 > Matt >=20 > From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> > Reply-To: Lancair List > Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at 3:42 PM > To: Lancair List > Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended range fuel capacity >=20 > George, >=20 > I flew into Chapel Hill and spent a couple nights there after LOBO. = The airport is very nice tucked into a treed area but with nice surface. = Tie downs are on concrete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the = place was very quiet. Saw one other aircraft activity when at the = airport two or three times during our stay. The manager of the airport = is about as congenial as anyone could be. Gas price is reasonable and = he will pump for you while he tells you the interesting history of the = airport. =20 >=20 > It seems that Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose = with stipulation that it never be used for anything else, but the law = school and maybe others have been salivating over the valuable property = for decades since Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the sky. = About ten or fifteen years ago, the philosophy department (Horace's) = made an agreement with the law department to close the airport = (presumably Horace was not consulted) to turn it into a new law school = campus but the airport still operates and is a great facility. They = charge $10 per night for tie down. >=20 > I recommend it. >=20 > John >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 >=20 > On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George Wehrung wrote: >=20 >> Hey Matt, >>=20 >> Just curious about Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there = regularly as her best friend lives in Carborro and we were up there not = all that long ago helping my father in law move out of his house. And, = my wife went to UNC medical school. >>=20 >> I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far from Austin) as we have the = family farm out there and ultimately plan to retire there. >>=20 >> My father in law moved to Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well = as the Rooney=92s whom we bought our plane from. >>=20 >> Sounds like we have some similar destinations. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood = wrote: >>=20 >>> I hate to even begin to brag about long lancair flights when I know = the King and Queen are out there (bill and sue). My wife and I = regularly fly from Chapel Hill, NC to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, = b) Austin' TX and c) Aspen, CO in our little 360 that is not purpose = built for distance. FL is always non-stop. Austin and back is often = non-stop. Our record was Aspen to Chapel Hill non-stop and we didn't = even have a good tail wind. It was a 6:10 flight and we landed with an = hour reserve. =20 >>>=20 >>> This bird is an economical time machine. Many times I have wished = for better weather detection, FIKI, and more redundancy (like last = weekend coming home from Mohonk, NY) but I just cannot beat the economy. = =20 >>>=20 >>> Love my plane. Wife loves her travel flexibility.=20 >>>=20 >>> Matt >>>=20 >>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> In my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with = 23.3 gallons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind >>>> Pink Legacy >>>> Ralph Love >>>>=20 >>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Jim Scales = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> What would you consider to be "super long range"? >>>>>=20 >>>>> I carry 91 useable which can keep me flying for about 6 hours plus = reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from home. Can do this with 600# = of people but no luggage. =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Would be interested to hear what other ES's are doing.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Longest logged flight has been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with = 26 gal remaining. Made for a long day.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so small? >>>>>> I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a plane = flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel doesn't = bring you to gross the tanks are too small. =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The first time I saw an ES and how big the wings are I thought = "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with fuel and make a super = long range machine." >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone = knows for sure. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Colyn >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Greetings: I=92m building a slow build ES (Kit # 11), and just = learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be enlarged to around = 90 gallons. Luckily I=92m at the stage where I can add a bay without = difficulty. I=92ve checked with Lancair, and am awaiting some = documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check here to see how = others have accomplished the modification. My the way, this is my first = post, but surely not the last. >>>>>> =20 >>>>>> James M. Anderson, III >>>>>> Anderson & Ealick, P.C. >>>>>> Suite 130 >>>>>> 5855 Sandy Springs Circle >>>>>> Sandy Springs, GA 30328 >>>>>> 404-255-0319 >>>>>> jma@jmalawfirm.com >>>>>> =20 >>>>>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-46--509896668 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Is = there such a thing as an airport land trust?   "Airport = Conservancy"   or something like that?
The idea would be that = the trust buys the development rights to the airport land, taking it off = the real estate hit list.
Might be more interesting than giving = PAC money to EAA and AOPA.

On Nov 19, 2013, at = 8:11 AM, John Barrett wrote:

I did get = a sense of the politics of the airport.  I did not share that the = managers would like to re pave and do other upkeep but their bosses will = have none of it because those folks want it to go away.  Very = similar to lots of airports where cities grow up around them but this = one is particularly beautiful.  Will hate to see it = go.

John

Sent from my = iPad


On Nov 18, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Matt = Hapgood <mehapgood@gmail.com> = wrote:

If I = could be anonymous with this post I would=85

The = Chapel Hill airport is an endangered facility.  Your historical = overview is very accurate, but between the lines it is both a university = issue (they want to use the land for other purposes), a political = (state) issue =96 they aren=92t allocating any money to developing a new = law school or research facilities, etc., as well as a local political = and community issue.  Like a lot of airports the community neither = understands it nor wants it.  They are =93terrified=94 of the = airport because it is so dangerous =96 you know =96 the national media = histeria every time a plane crashes.  It=92s irrelevant that more = pedestrians have been killed in Chapel Hill in the past  5 years = than in the entire 70 year history of the airport=85  Not to = mention that is the airport goes away so will a TON of it=92s huge = greenspace =96 all developed and will create traffic issues in this = small town with only small roads leading to that = area.

Another topic is that you found the = manager to be really polite=85 I wholeheartedly agree.  About a = year ago the previous long-term manager retired and it=92s a whole new = attitude out there.  The new manager and his staff couldn=92t be = any nicer.  

I hope the airport will stay = open for a long time.

Matt

=
From: = John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Lancair List <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Monday, November 18, 2013 at = 3:42 PM
To: Lancair List = <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Re: LNCE - Extended = range fuel capacity

George,

I flew into Chapel = Hill and spent a couple nights there after LOBO.  The airport is = very nice tucked into a treed area but with nice surface.  Tie = downs are on concrete or asphalt pads and when I was there, the place = was very quiet.  Saw one other aircraft activity when at the = airport two or three times during our stay.  The manager of the = airport is about as congenial as anyone could be.  Gas price is = reasonable and he will pump for you while he tells you the interesting = history of the airport.  

It seems that = Horace what's his name donated the space for the purpose with = stipulation that it never be used for anything else, but the law school = and maybe others have been salivating over the valuable property for = decades since Horace went to the great pilot's lounge in the sky. =  About ten or fifteen years ago, the philosophy department = (Horace's) made an agreement with the law department to close the = airport (presumably Horace was not consulted) to turn it into a new law = school campus but the airport still operates and is a great facility. =  They charge $10 per night for tie down.

I = recommend = it.

John


Sent from = my iPad


On Nov 18, 2013, at 5:46 AM, George = Wehrung <gw5@me.com> = wrote:

Hey Matt,

Just curious about = Chapel Hill; My wife and I plan to go there regularly as her best friend = lives in Carborro and we were up there not all that long ago helping my = father in law move out of his house. And, my wife went to UNC medical = school.

I am also from Brenham, Texas (not far = from Austin) as we have the family farm out there and ultimately plan to = retire there.

My father in law moved to = Sarasota FL and plan to visit him as well as the Rooney=92s whom we = bought our plane from.

Sounds like we have some = similar = destinations.



On = Nov 18, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Matt Hapgood <mehapgood@gmail.com> = wrote:

I hate to even begin to brag = about long lancair flights when I know the King and Queen are out there = (bill and sue).  My wife and I regularly fly from Chapel Hill, NC = to a) south Florida and the Bahamas, b) Austin' TX and c) Aspen, CO in = our little 360 that is not purpose built for distance.  FL is = always non-stop.  Austin and back is often non-stop.  Our = record was Aspen to Chapel Hill non-stop and we didn't even have a good = tail wind.   It was a 6:10 flight and we landed with an hour = reserve.  

This bird is an economical time = machine.  Many times I have wished for better weather detection, = FIKI, and more redundancy (like last weekend coming home from Mohonk, = NY) but I just cannot beat the economy. =  

Love my plane.  Wife loves her = travel flexibility. 

Matt

On Nov 16, = 2013, at 6:22 PM, Ralph Love <ralphlove@sbcglobal.net> = wrote:

In= my Legacy, I flew 710 miles on 37.7 gallons in 3:10 hours with 23.3 = gallons remaining in the tanks. Had some tailwind
Pink = Legacy
Ralph Love

On Nov 14, 2013, at 10:42 PM, = Jim Scales <joscales98@hotmail.com> = wrote:

What would you consider to be "super long = range"?

I carry 91 useable which can keep me = flying for about 6 hours plus reserve and put me about 1000 nm away from = home. Can do this with 600# of people but no luggage. =  

Would be interested to hear what other = ES's are doing. 

Longest logged flight has = been 4.4 hours and 730 nm. Landed with 26 gal remaining.  Made for = a long day. 



On Nov 14, = 2013, at 11:27 AM, "Colyn Case" <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

Does anyone know why the ES tanks are so = small?
I know a lot of people think it's cool to be able to say a = plane flies with full tanks and full seats but IMO if pilot + fuel = doesn't bring you to gross the tanks are too small. =  

The first time I saw an ES and how big the = wings are I thought "Wow, wouldn't it be neat to fill those wings with = fuel and make a super long range machine."

I = can imagine engineering considerations but I wonder if anyone knows for = sure.

Colyn

On Nov 14, = 2013, at 10:00 AM, James M. Anderson, III P.C. wrote:

Greetings:  I=92m building a slow build ES (Kit # = 11), and just learned that the stock 75 gallon fuel capacity can be = enlarged to around 90 gallons.  Luckily I=92m at the stage where I = can add a bay without difficulty.  I=92ve checked with Lancair, and = am awaiting some documentation on how to do that, but wanted to check = here to see how others have accomplished the modification.  My the = way, this is my first post, but surely not the = last.
 
James = M. Anderson, III
Anderson & Ealick, P.C.
Suite 130
5855 Sandy Springs = Circle
Sandy Springs,  = GA  30328
404-255-0319

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