X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 11:01:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6583778 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:21:24 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.80; envelope-from=toms1@chartermi.net Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.09 201-2260-151-124-20120717) with ESMTP id <20131110132049.NODP6169.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:20:49 -0500 Received: from home128a2c5896 ([24.231.132.147]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id npLp1m00B3Ay94Q05pLprg; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:20:49 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=ZL6PAgHb c=1 sm=1 a=EdWu7vXYYvR4M/uh/rzKtw==:17 a=7Vtkk4Wg9cEA:10 a=4ycV2vTZAAAA:8 a=w7FGCWMP4bMA:10 a=kY1Q6Kk-2WhQAD0wDRMA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4E4BwmMf6o4-2iryAu4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=SYWS0iqERlfMzDAp:21 a=EdWu7vXYYvR4M/uh/rzKtw==:117 X-Original-Message-ID: <7FCB79ED089B44C0A1E3215BB4BB6ABA@home128a2c5896> From: "Tom & Beth Sullivan" X-Original-To: "LML" Subject: TKS and Icing X-Original-Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:22:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01CEDDE5.8DF9CA10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 131110-0, 11/10/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CEDDE5.8DF9CA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have had TKS on my Mooney Rocket since 2001, and have flown with it = on two different Bonanzas for our mercy flight organization over the = last 10 years. It clearly works better if wetted out before hitting = icing conditions than when turning it on after encountering it. It will = shed the ice then as well, but does if a lot slower, and in moderate = icing will get a bit hairy if activated late. When used properly, it = works better than boots IMHO. Both my Rocket and the first Bonanza were non-certified icing = systems. When our organization was upgrading to a turbonormalized = Bonanza, several "professional" pilots insisted we get the a certified = TKS system, which required finding another (newer) airframe, having the = TKS installed before the Tornado Alley upgrade (or TKS would not certify = it), and meant we had to buy a high TBO Bonanza. Interestingly, the = only system to ever fail on me in serious icing was the certified one. I had considered the system for my propjet, and have already = installed a 4 gallon tank to at least install the spray tubes on the = prop, which will keep the engine inlets clean, the prop clean, the = fuselage and part of the tail clean from the spray disc you will fly = through. I know of no way to get wing and tail panels now, as TKS no = longer supports these for the Lancair. Anyone know differently or know = of a set sitting somewhere? Not sure I want the speed penalty, but = flying around the Great Lakes in the winter will be fun without full = deice. Tom Sullivan U.P. of Michigan For those that have either TKS or thermawing on their airplanes have you = ever been in anything more than trace or light icing? If so how did the = system and the airplane perform? The key with boots or any system that cycles if you're not able to = regain some of the airspeed loss that occurred before the boots cycled = it's time to go down. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01CEDDE5.8DF9CA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have had TKS on my = Mooney Rocket=20 since 2001, and have flown with it on two different Bonanzas for our = mercy=20 flight organization over the last 10 years. It clearly works = better if=20 wetted out before hitting icing conditions than when turning it on after = encountering it. It will shed the ice then as well, but does = if a lot=20 slower, and in moderate icing will get a bit hairy if activated = late. When=20 used properly, it works better than boots IMHO.

Both my Rocket and the = first Bonanza=20 were non-certified icing systems. When our organization was = upgrading to a=20 turbonormalized Bonanza, several "professional" pilots insisted we get = the a=20 certified TKS system, which required finding another = (newer) airframe,=20 having the TKS installed before the Tornado Alley upgrade (or TKS = would not=20 certify it), and meant we had to buy a high TBO Bonanza. =20 Interestingly, the only system to ever fail on me in serious icing was = the=20 certified one.

I had considered the = system for my=20 propjet, and have already installed a 4 gallon tank to at least install = the=20 spray tubes on the prop, which will keep the engine inlets clean, the = prop=20 clean, the fuselage and part of the tail clean from the spray disc you = will fly=20 through. I know of no way to get wing and tail panels now, as TKS = no=20 longer supports these for the Lancair. Anyone know differently or = know of=20 a set sitting somewhere? Not sure I want the speed penalty, but = flying=20 around the Great Lakes in the winter will be fun without full=20 deice.

Tom Sullivan

U.P. of Michigan

For those=20 that have either TKS or thermawing on their airplanes have you ever been = in=20 anything more than trace or light icing? If so how did the system = and the=20 airplane perform?

The key with boots or any system that cycles if = you're=20 not able to regain some of the airspeed loss that occurred before the = boots=20 cycled it's time to go down.

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