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From: George Wehrung <gw5@me.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TBM CRASH -ICING TEB - what would you do?

That's great!  I don't know much about that system; so I assume you have hea=
ted prop, windshield, horizontal stabilizer, and static ports?

It's funny we are on this topic.  Yesterday on my third day of my simulator r=
ecurrency training at Flight Safety for single pilot BE350, they gave me an i=
ced over static port scenario while in a 2500/min descent into KCOS on the R=
NAV.  Talk about being busy cross checking back up ADI and switching to back=
up static source as well as going reversionary to my secondary air data comp=
uter and display.  It was only a static port but on a very sophisticated pla=
ne can cause quite the disruption.


Sent from my iPad

On Nov 9, 2013, at 13:04, Walter Bell <bellw@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> George,
> I have a Mooney Bravo equipped with TKS.  I have flown in enough icing sit=
uations to say it works very well.
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> On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:24 PM, George Wehrung wrote:
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>> When going into questionable WX I would have called to get a good weather=
 brief. They always go over Pireps and what the weather is doing.  While on t=
he phone with them I generally have ADDS up looking at the progs, AIRMETS, a=
nd SIGMETS. =20
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>> I would like to think I would have altered my route or delayed once seein=
g how vast that icing coverage was. I also think I might have considered sta=
ying low until I could climb above that mess.  It's one thing to go into kno=
wn icing when it's light.  But even in the mighty King Air that is certified=
 for known icing I get worried when I hear moderate and look at other option=
s. =20
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>> I have been in my share of icing in various planes  in particular, I don'=
t like the sound of a base ball bat hitting the fuselage when the props are s=
linging ice. =20
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>> But, then again, this is not a discussion in our little ES.
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 14:37, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>> splitting this thread from John's.
>>> good tape.   What would you have done and when?
>>> It's a turbine with tons of climb power and boots and you've seen modera=
te ice before.
>>>=20
>>> a) stayed below IMC
>>> b) not entered IMC until you were guaranteed a continuous climb to fl200=

>>> c) accept clearance as given accident pilot and then violate clearance a=
nd continue climbing once icing got beyond light, declare emergency=20
>>> d) descend as soon as you saw ice
>>> e) something else
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>>> Colyn
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>>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 7:31 AM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote:
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>>> HI THERE
>>>=20
>>> i came across this AOPA report on a TBM that crashed 17 minutes after ta=
king off from TETERBORO
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>>> i remember the news report.
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>>> in many ways a TBM performance envelop is similar to our LNC4; admittedl=
y not many Lancair aircraft=20
>>> have full de-ice equipment, but we could easily find ourselves in a simi=
lar situation.
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>>> FIVE MINUTES INTO THE ICING, and the plane is out of control
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>>> http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch=3D9CC22A1C-9960-43A5-AC03-37574=
98BE36C&WT.mc_sect=3Dtts&WT.mc_id=3D131108epilot
>>>=20
>>> it is hard to stay vigilant, but that is how we get to be old pilots
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> peter
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