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Subject: Re: [LML] TBM CRASH -ICING TEB - what would you do?
From: Walter Bell <bellw@ix.netcom.com>
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George,
I have a Mooney Bravo equipped with TKS.  I have flown in enough icing =
situations to say it works very well.

On Nov 8, 2013, at 12:24 PM, George Wehrung wrote:

> When going into questionable WX I would have called to get a good =
weather brief. They always go over Pireps and what the weather is doing. =
 While on the phone with them I generally have ADDS up looking at the =
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> I would like to think I would have altered my route or delayed once =
seeing how vast that icing coverage was. I also think I might have =
considered staying low until I could climb above that mess.  It's one =
thing to go into known icing when it's light.  But even in the mighty =
King Air that is certified for known icing I get worried when I hear =
moderate and look at other options. =20
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> I have been in my share of icing in various planes  in particular, I =
don't like the sound of a base ball bat hitting the fuselage when the =
props are slinging ice. =20
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> But, then again, this is not a discussion in our little ES.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Nov 8, 2013, at 14:37, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>> splitting this thread from John's.
>> good tape.   What would you have done and when?
>> It's a turbine with tons of climb power and boots and you've seen =
moderate ice before.
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>> a) stayed below IMC
>> b) not entered IMC until you were guaranteed a continuous climb to =
fl200
>> c) accept clearance as given accident pilot and then violate =
clearance and continue climbing once icing got beyond light, declare =
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>> d) descend as soon as you saw ice
>> e) something else
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>> Colyn
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>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 7:31 AM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote:
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>> HI THERE
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>> i came across this AOPA report on a TBM that crashed 17 minutes after =
taking off from TETERBORO
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>> i remember the news report.
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>> in many ways a TBM performance envelop is similar to our LNC4; =
admittedly not many Lancair aircraft=20
>> have full de-ice equipment, but we could easily find ourselves in a =
similar situation.
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>> FIVE MINUTES INTO THE ICING, and the plane is out of control
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http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch=3D9CC22A1C-9960-43A5-AC03-3757498=
BE36C&WT.mc_sect=3Dtts&WT.mc_id=3D131108epilot
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>> it is hard to stay vigilant, but that is how we get to be old pilots
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>> peter
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