X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6582298 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:36:05 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.61; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qRaJGIVqGyBW7cjeVENrtpv/AqwRRn98DwEOKiQX1cH/GHlRPU8T6Lt9HmyPL5Kj; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.16.215.180] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vesm6-0005LJ-5R for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 15:35:26 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-133--238683899 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TBM CRASH -ICING TEB - what would you do? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 15:35:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Message-Id: <395D62B3-5E21-4966-BF5C-912396696311@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940d8201a295531b486c344d2950ade8e1e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.16.215.180 --Apple-Mail-133--238683899 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have TKS on my cessna TR182. If I put it on max 5-10 minutes before entering ice the wings will stay = clean except for a thing strip right on the leading edge. I've been in = moderate, although not for long. Currently trying to debug the flow on = the struts (not enough). Colyn On Nov 8, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Todd Long wrote: For those that have either TKS or thermawing on their airplanes have you = ever been in anything more than trace or light icing? If so how did the = system and the airplane perform? The key with boots or any system that cycles if you're not able to = regain some of the airspeed loss that occurred before the boots cycled = it's time to go down. Typing and grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone. On Nov 8, 2013, at 13:37, Colyn Case wrote: > splitting this thread from John's. > good tape. What would you have done and when? > It's a turbine with tons of climb power and boots and you've seen = moderate ice before. >=20 > a) stayed below IMC > b) not entered IMC until you were guaranteed a continuous climb to = fl200 > c) accept clearance as given accident pilot and then violate clearance = and continue climbing once icing got beyond light, declare emergency=20 > d) descend as soon as you saw ice > e) something else >=20 > Colyn >=20 > On Nov 8, 2013, at 7:31 AM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote: >=20 > HI THERE >=20 > i came across this AOPA report on a TBM that crashed 17 minutes after = taking off from TETERBORO >=20 > i remember the news report. >=20 > in many ways a TBM performance envelop is similar to our LNC4; = admittedly not many Lancair aircraft=20 > have full de-ice equipment, but we could easily find ourselves in a = similar situation. >=20 > FIVE MINUTES INTO THE ICING, and the plane is out of control >=20 > = http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch=3D9CC22A1C-9960-43A5-AC03-3757498= BE36C&WT.mc_sect=3Dtts&WT.mc_id=3D131108epilot >=20 > it is hard to stay vigilant, but that is how we get to be old pilots >=20 >=20 > peter >=20 --Apple-Mail-133--238683899 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = have TKS on my cessna TR182.

If I put it on max 5-10 minutes before = entering ice the wings will stay clean except for a thing strip right on = the leading edge. I've been in moderate, although not for long. = Currently trying to debug the flow on the struts (not = enough).

Colyn

On Nov = 8, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Todd Long wrote:

For those = that have either TKS or thermawing on their airplanes have you ever been = in anything more than trace or light icing? If so how did the = system and the airplane perform?

The key with = boots or any system that cycles if you're not able to regain some of the = airspeed loss that occurred before the boots cycled it's time to go = down.

Typing and grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the = iPhone.

On Nov 8, 2013, at 13:37, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> = wrote:

splitting this thread from John's.
good = tape. What would you have done and when?
It's a turbine with = tons of climb power and boots and you've seen moderate ice = before.

a) stayed below IMC
b) not = entered IMC until you were guaranteed a continuous climb to = fl200
c) accept clearance as given accident pilot and then = violate clearance and continue climbing once icing got beyond light, = declare emergency
d) descend as soon as you saw = ice
e) something = else

Colyn

On Nov 8, = 2013, at 7:31 AM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote:

HI THERE

i came across this AOPA report on a = TBM that crashed 17 minutes after taking off from TETERBORO

i = remember the news report.

in many ways a TBM performance envelop = is similar to our LNC4; admittedly not many Lancair aircraft
have full de-ice = equipment, but we could easily find ourselves in a similar = situation.

FIVE MINUTES INTO THE ICING, and the plane is out of = control

http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch=3D9CC22A1C-9960= -43A5-AC03-3757498BE36C&WT.mc_sect=3Dtts&WT.mc_id=3D131108epilot

it is hard to stay vigilant, but that is how we get to be old = pilots

peter

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