X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6582197 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:37:52 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.62; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KqPr62exk2abykYMweWFzgM9euOvZ9s733ok/iBRU7Z7maCuC22Qh2hn398FoKlN; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.16.215.180] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Verrg-00059a-QS for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 14:37:09 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-126--242181098 Subject: Re: [LML] TBM CRASH -ICING TEB - what would you do? Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 14:37:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9402a6c0eecb8ebc1f7b15b57d6b4c53904350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.16.215.180 --Apple-Mail-126--242181098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii splitting this thread from John's. good tape. What would you have done and when? It's a turbine with tons of climb power and boots and you've seen = moderate ice before. a) stayed below IMC b) not entered IMC until you were guaranteed a continuous climb to fl200 c) accept clearance as given accident pilot and then violate clearance = and continue climbing once icing got beyond light, declare emergency=20 d) descend as soon as you saw ice e) something else Colyn On Nov 8, 2013, at 7:31 AM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote: HI THERE i came across this AOPA report on a TBM that crashed 17 minutes after = taking off from TETERBORO i remember the news report. in many ways a TBM performance envelop is similar to our LNC4; = admittedly not many Lancair aircraft=20 have full de-ice equipment, but we could easily find ourselves in a = similar situation. FIVE MINUTES INTO THE ICING, and the plane is out of control = http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch=3D9CC22A1C-9960-43A5-AC03-3757498= BE36C&WT.mc_sect=3Dtts&WT.mc_id=3D131108epilot it is hard to stay vigilant, but that is how we get to be old pilots peter --Apple-Mail-126--242181098 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
splitting this thread from John's.
good = tape.   What would you have done and when?
It's a turbine with = tons of climb power and boots and you've seen moderate ice = before.

a) stayed below IMC
b) not = entered IMC until you were guaranteed a continuous climb to = fl200
c) accept clearance as given accident pilot and then = violate clearance and continue climbing once icing got beyond light, = declare emergency 
d) descend as soon as you saw = ice
e) something = else

Colyn

On Nov 8, = 2013, at 7:31 AM, PETER WILLIAMS wrote:

HI THERE

i came across this AOPA report on a = TBM that crashed 17 minutes after taking off from TETERBORO

i = remember the news report.

in many ways a TBM performance envelop = is similar to our LNC4; admittedly not many Lancair aircraft 
have full de-ice = equipment, but we could easily find ourselves in a similar = situation.

FIVE MINUTES INTO THE ICING, and the plane is out of = control

http://www.aopa.org/AOPA-Live.aspx?watch=3D9CC22A1C-9960= -43A5-AC03-3757498BE36C&WT.mc_sect=3Dtts&WT.mc_id=3D131108epilot

it is hard to stay vigilant, but that is how we get to be old = pilots


peter

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