X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:58:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f53.google.com ([209.85.160.53] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6581976 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 11:30:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.53; envelope-from=legacyl2k@gmail.com Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id up7so2351717pbc.26 for ; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:29:31 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.175.133 with SMTP id ca5mr16962242pac.40.1383928171487; Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:29:31 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.7] (71-35-70-47.phnx.qwest.net. [71.35.70.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ja5sm13100157pbc.14.2013.11.08.08.29.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:29:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LML] Checklists References: From: Mike's Gmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <3EA7F4F4-BE4B-4E10-9198-5AB7D1D14CAE@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:29:27 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) My airplane has an ECAM plus. It tells me verbally what is wrong plus a ton= e and amber or red written warning. So on takeoff all I have to do is fly. = =20 I agree with you, the most important time for a pilot flying a single engine= , heavy wing loaded airplane is takeoff to 1500. After that you can screw u= p big and still recover. If something goes wrong on takeoff, you better hav= e brought you "A Game.".=20 Mike Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2013, at 5:31 AM, "Dominic V. Crain" wrote: > Back in the days when Airbus Industrie dreamt up the A320 FBW etc, There w= ere two items going to be on the checklist: START=E2=80=A6.and=E2=80=A6.STOP= . > The computers via ECAM etc were going to look after everything. > It was then thought that didn=E2=80=99t give the boys at the sharp end muc= h to do, so they thought,=E2=80=9Dbetter give these numb nuts (cerebrally sp= eaking) something to do to make it look like they are actually required=E2=80= =9D > So the Checklist was extended with extraneous stuff. > But, my Lancair doesn=E2=80=99t have ECAM. I NEED a checklist. Not for ext= ended post T/O ops, but for Pre-Start and Pre T/O vital actions. Then I chuc= k it out and use memory because the extraneous stuff isn=E2=80=99t necessary= . > The most critical point for a serious problem is from the start of the T/O= roll to 1500 feet. After that I=E2=80=99ve got room to manoeuvre to at leas= t some degree. >=20 >=20 > Anecdote: I am reminded of a day some forty years ago, as a B727 F/O flyin= g with a serious Check Captain, and being give a 350 kt descent with a requi= rement to hold the speed as long as possible to join final from a close base= . > He to whom I showed kowtowing respect was flying, a beautiful clear day, l= anded, turned off the high speed taxiway, and called for after landing check= list, which elicited the response from the Flight Engineer: =E2=80=9CSir, wo= uld you like the descent and pre-landing checklists first?=E2=80=9D >=20 > Dom > VH-CZJ >=20 > Dominic V. Crain > domcrain@tpg.com.au > Phone 03-94161881 > Mobile 0412-359320 >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l