X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 10:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f46.google.com ([209.85.160.46] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6578669 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 09:09:53 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.46; envelope-from=legacyl2k@gmail.com Received: by mail-pb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id un15so4044264pbc.5 for ; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 06:09:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.165.106 with SMTP id yx10mr3924441pab.159.1383746957668; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 06:09:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.7] (71-35-70-47.phnx.qwest.net. [71.35.70.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id og5sm41725844pbb.10.2013.11.06.06.09.15 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Nov 2013 06:09:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy Canopy Problem References: From: Mike's Gmail Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-81E03C4B-5DC8-43DD-8D88-068BC74A68B2 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 07:09:14 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-81E03C4B-5DC8-43DD-8D88-068BC74A68B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I beg to differ about the door issue on the ES. I got to look over an ES th= at returned after the door opened in flight. 60% of the R/H H stab was miss= ing the leading edge. The empennage was cracked 2/3 around the tail and the= roof of the cabin was badly damaged. =20 Cargo doors on the 4p and ES's have had their day too.. =20 Mike Larkin Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Gary Casey wrote: > I've read lots of comments on this, but most seem to be like putting one's= head in the sand. If something is likely to kill, something should be done= . At least three fatalities is far, far too many to write off as just a few= pilots who couldn't handle a "tricky" situation. And to think that there m= ust be some sort of build defficiency doesn't make sense either - the import= ant features of the aircraft are almost identical - pin locations and canopy= shapes. And this is not the way to find out that you "just weren't meant t= o be a pilot." And to say, "just remember to latch it" just doesn't cut it.= A secondary latch copied from millions of car's hood latches should do the= job. As for "so easy it's not worth discussing" I've yet to read hundreds o= f comments from those that have had it happen. Hoping that Darwin's theory h= as already weeded out the "bad" pilots is just plain unrealistic. I know, b= elieving that you are better than those others has a degree of satisfaction a= ssociated with it, but does it make sense? Something needs to be done - I'm= really surprised the NTSB hasn't gotten into the act. Sooner or later they= will, unless the owners do something first. No, I'm not directly affected,= as I drive an ES - which, by the way, has it's own door-opening issues, but= not proven to be in the same realm. > Gary Casey >=20 >=20 > From: Mark Sletten >=20 >=20 > I strongly suspect the reason we don't hear about incidents where an open > canopy didn't interfere with controllability is because it's not really an= > event worth discussing, plus there's an element of embarrassment. >=20 > "Hey guys, I forgot to close my canopy before take-off and had to come bac= k > to land before I could finish my trip." >=20 > Don't really hear too many stories about people forgetting to turn on the > transponder either. >=20 > "Hey guys, I forgot turn on the transponder before takeoff. ATC reminded > me, so I turned it on." >=20 > --Mark --Apple-Mail-81E03C4B-5DC8-43DD-8D88-068BC74A68B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I beg to differ about the d= oor issue on the ES.  I got to look over an ES that returned after the d= oor opened in flight.  60% of the R/H H stab was missing the leading ed= ge.  The empennage was cracked 2/3 around the tail and the roof of the c= abin was badly damaged.    

Cargo doors o= n the 4p and ES's have had their day too..  

M= ike Larkin

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2013, at 5:32 A= M, Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.c= om> wrote:

I've read lots of comments on this, but most seem to be like putting one's= head in the sand.  If something is likely to kill, something should be= done.  At least three fatalities is far, far too many to write off as j= ust a few pilots who couldn't handle a "tricky" situation.  And to thin= k that there must be some sort of build defficiency doesn't make sense eithe= r - the important features of the aircraft are almost identical - pin locati= ons and canopy shapes.  And this is not the way to find out that you "j= ust weren't meant to be a pilot."  And to say, "just remember to latch i= t" just doesn't cut it.  A secondary latch copied from millions of car'= s hood latches should do the job.  As for "so easy it's not worth discu= ssing" I've yet to read hundreds of comments from those that have had it happen.  Hoping that Darwin's the= ory has already weeded out the "bad" pilots is just plain unrealistic.  = ;I know, believing that you are better than those others has a degree of sat= isfaction associated with it, but does it make sense?  Something needs t= o be done - I'm really surprised the NTSB hasn't gotten into the act.  = Sooner or later they will, unless the owners do something first.  No, I= 'm not directly affected, as I drive an ES - which, by the way, has it's own= door-opening issues, but not proven to be in the same realm.
Gary= Casey


From: Mark Sletten <mwsletten@gmail.com>

I strongly suspect the reason we don't hear about incidents= where an open
= canopy didn't inter= fere with controllability is because it's not really an
event worth discussing, plus there's an element of emb= arrassment.
"Hey guys, I forgot to close my canopy befo= re take-off and had to come back
to= land before I could finish my trip."

Don't really hear= too many stories about people forgetting to turn on the
transponder either.

"Hey guys, I f= orgot turn on the transponder before takeoff. ATC reminded
me, so I turned it on."

--Mark<= /span>
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