X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:32:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm3-vm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.225] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6578518 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 07:12:47 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.225; envelope-from=casey.gary@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.100.116] by nm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 12:12:12 -0000 Received: from [98.138.101.171] by tm107.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 12:12:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1082.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Nov 2013 12:12:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 407941.88196.bm@omp1082.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57341 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Nov 2013 12:12:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=kkKXy/9vmRvqTvmzcrJ+5yAKrvnEyiyLMRMn4rhGMXLJBImKeHcjSfBRneQObeV/0jbWi2dFaqoIkhqRVJ0UuzDpL4W/PHaX0G45rCRmWIOXOHstvYnEkoYgq+5WI1a0WusVmoA/6s7Kf7QjmTOyn6uSJ+RNyM9mXz/2UPb12wI=; X-YMail-OSG: jj37DzIVM1lfqwa_f4ngT1jYAwXY0enduWnUiD.gXFINybH v_HKKvnVr8HUS19EuY9edlREhqGRSFkQz6RFOwQwWqNf.GqWNp7_Lgh4ywdr 1KHI96SRlsBqGDFC5QvNQdb3b8kIjp5tJT1T2LVmCGlrPd0FOnr3G8jDOPhb GIGCH6JtcrifsGMxwDtHZdqi2LHir37RKrPc8y9nvLOJwLrvRGDzjH8MmPKg vtgfwFKo1M.bM3iiE1d19k92WaA4FeQJdUUkAPrauwOjK4O3_._72yft5U04 SQEad9y7dQAZTD5WPO0d11TN3ZQ88J8Qq7hTOG4TuZB2RJLLItCtFO2Q_5sg Sw6T39U0bZ4UcUlkDV_DVHOv05gSFDkh9YobEj1tFqSh83IxmELfm5GFg6MK LKnP6ifyKjrmSLUphkVdRy0mfcTHlsPyGxizAPYlxde_JuN1dtn7uYySuD0M 9qJLW4NllnxoiLwVoOO.RSabzzI8kAQQZ_vsgW7CtAK0AiReOylYX3IJA4cT GyEV3PBoGR3BpSOevfng74ObbrcN_6UAsxHrYfqz1Fb._D2SGrlS9_UQaqkH plEytcJQl24ZpZ6Vx0A-- Received: from [97.92.63.83] by web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 06 Nov 2013 04:12:12 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SSd2ZSByZWFkIGxvdHMgb2YgY29tbWVudHMgb24gdGhpcywgYnV0IG1vc3Qgc2VlbSB0byBiZSBsaWtlIHB1dHRpbmcgb25lJ3MgaGVhZCBpbiB0aGUgc2FuZC4gwqBJZiBzb21ldGhpbmcgaXMgbGlrZWx5IHRvIGtpbGwsIHNvbWV0aGluZyBzaG91bGQgYmUgZG9uZS4gwqBBdCBsZWFzdCB0aHJlZSBmYXRhbGl0aWVzIGlzIGZhciwgZmFyIHRvbyBtYW55IHRvIHdyaXRlIG9mZiBhcyBqdXN0IGEgZmV3IHBpbG90cyB3aG8gY291bGRuJ3QgaGFuZGxlIGEgInRyaWNreSIgc2l0dWF0aW9uLiDCoEFuZCB0byB0aGkBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.161.596 X-Original-Message-ID: <1383739932.55470.YahooMailNeo@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 04:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Casey Reply-To: Gary Casey Subject: Re: Legacy Canopy Problem X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1072509510-2100461117-1383739932=:55470" --1072509510-2100461117-1383739932=:55470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've read lots of comments on this, but most seem to be like putting one's = head in the sand. =A0If something is likely to kill, something should be do= ne. =A0At least three fatalities is far, far too many to write off as just = a few pilots who couldn't handle a "tricky" situation. =A0And to think that= there must be some sort of build defficiency doesn't make sense either - t= he important features of the aircraft are almost identical - pin locations = and canopy shapes. =A0And this is not the way to find out that you "just we= ren't meant to be a pilot." =A0And to say, "just remember to latch it" just= doesn't cut it. =A0A secondary latch copied from millions of car's hood la= tches should do the job. =A0As for "so easy it's not worth discussing" I've= yet to read hundreds of comments from those that have had it happen. =A0Ho= ping that Darwin's theory has already weeded out the "bad" pilots is just p= lain unrealistic. =A0I know, believing that you are better than those other= s has a degree of satisfaction associated with it, but does it make sense? = =A0Something needs to be done - I'm really surprised the NTSB hasn't gotten= into the act. =A0Sooner or later they will, unless the owners do something= first. =A0No, I'm not directly affected, as I drive an ES - which, by the = way, has it's own door-opening issues, but not proven to be in the same rea= lm.=0AGary Casey=0A=0A=0AFrom: Mark Sletten =0A=0A=0AI= strongly suspect the reason we don't hear about incidents where an open=0A= canopy didn't interfere with controllability is because it's not really an= =0Aevent worth discussing, plus there's an element of embarrassment.=0A=0A"= Hey guys, I forgot to close my canopy before take-off and had to come back= =0Ato land before I could finish my trip."=0A=0ADon't really hear too many = stories about people forgetting to turn on the=0Atransponder either.=0A=0A"= Hey guys, I forgot turn on the transponder before takeoff. ATC reminded=0Am= e, so I turned it on."=0A=0A--Mark=0A --1072509510-2100461117-1383739932=:55470 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've read lots of comments on this, but most seem to be = like putting one's head in the sand.  If something is likely to kill, = something should be done.  At least three fatalities is far, far too m= any to write off as just a few pilots who couldn't handle a "tricky" situat= ion.  And to think that there must be some sort of build defficiency d= oesn't make sense either - the important features of the aircraft are almos= t identical - pin locations and canopy shapes.  And this is not the wa= y to find out that you "just weren't meant to be a pilot."  And to say= , "just remember to latch it" just doesn't cut it.  A secondary latch = copied from millions of car's hood latches should do the job.  As for = "so easy it's not worth discussing" I've yet to read hundreds of comments from those that have had it happen.  Hoping that Darwin's th= eory has already weeded out the "bad" pilots is just plain unrealistic. &nb= sp;I know, believing that you are better than those others has a degree of = satisfaction associated with it, but does it make sense?  Something ne= eds to be done - I'm really surprised the NTSB hasn't gotten into the act. =  Sooner or later they will, unless the owners do something first. &nbs= p;No, I'm not directly affected, as I drive an ES - which, by the way, has = it's own door-opening issues, but not proven to be in the same realm.
=
Gary Casey


From: Mark Sletten <mwsletten@gmail.com>


I strongly suspect the reason we don't hear abo= ut incidents where an open
canop= y didn't interfere with controllability is because it's not really an
event worth discussing, plus there's an e= lement of embarrassment.

"Hey guys, I forgot to clos= e my canopy before take-off and had to come back
to land before I could finish my trip."

Don't really hear too many stories about people forgetting to turn on = the
transponder either.
"Hey guys, I forgot turn on the transponder before takeoff. A= TC reminded
me, so I turned it o= n."

--Mark
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