Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67805
From: Nick Long <nick@beaglepup.info>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TXPDR antenna
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 13:16:23 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Hello,
 
Obviously I don’t know the installation in question, but let me offer my 2cents. My day job is as an RF engineer.
 
A metal ground plane is much better than paint. But it doesn’t have to be any significant thickness. Foil, or sticky back foil or tape is ok.
 
The reason for needing a ground plane is because the structure is non conducting. Effectively the structure is not there as far as the radio signal is concerned, so it’s just as good to put the ground plane on the inside, which is a bit easier.
 
Follow that logic through and you come to the idea that the whole antenna can be inside, providing you can set up a suitable ground plane or equivalent.
 
The difficulty comes if the aircraft structure is partly conducting, rather than insulating, and therefore absorbs radio energy instead of being transparent to it. This is where there’s a gap in my knowledge – I don’t know the electrical characteristics of carbon fibre. I suspect it can be treated as an insulator, but maybe someone can confirm that.
 
Nick Long
 
 
From: Colyn Case
Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:36 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: TXPDR antenna
 
John,  I'm trying to figure out how a xponder antenna would be between the rudder pedals and the firewall.
Paint works at first but can fracture.
A physically robust connection to the ground plane is best.
If it were me I would take the antenna off (assuming it's outdoors like it should be), grind through all the filler down to the carbon, install a small sheet metal ground plane, provide a good strong contact area, reassemble, and then bodywork over the remaining visible ground plane.
 
Colyn
 
On Nov 5, 2013, at 7:46 AM, John Barrett wrote:
 
Hello all,
 
Behind the rudder pedal the antenna for the transponder can be ID'd by the brown Rg cable.
 
ATC sometimes loses my squawk and I am thinking I need to add a ground plane.  Question for the group is if I can paint conductive paint around the antenna and under neath the hydraulic lines as much as possible.  Will the Jeffco tank sealer interfere with effecitveness?  Do I need to remove the antenna or can the hub be painted to provide continuity?
 
Any suggestions welcome.
 
Thanks,
John

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From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com>
Date: November 4, 2013 at 12:47:56 PM PST
To: John Barrett <jbarrett@carbinge.com>



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